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SteveGarvey1 said:
He's one of the best shooting PGs in the country. Even 56 would probably admit that. He also deserved All Fresh PG in the B1G. He has some deficiencies in other parts of his game though that make me think he has a ways to go before being one of the better PGs in the country. He could be but it's not written in stone yet.
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What are the other deficiencies? He was up there in top 3 for assists and assist to TO margin. Couple that with his shooting and you have a pretty effective PG. I'll take it anyway.
 
So I have some time to kill so I decided to watch a game on the DVR. I went with the Maryland game and I'll tell you right now, Bohannon's assists are anything but unimpressive. The way he creates angles that aren't there to feed the post is something I don't really ever see around college basketball much, and he does it over and over. He is an elite passer and an elite shooter. That is the exact kind of point guard this team needs.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I already asked that once about 5 pages ago. Crickets.
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He has a couple of assists on this tape that might be impressive or unimpressive I'm not sure....But either way you don't accidently pile up the amount of them he has and regardless of if they are Sportscenter worthy or not each one is worth 2 or 3 points. When it's all said and done the kid will have some pretty great stats all around. Just because he's not Ronnie Lester or BJ Armstrong doesn't mean he can't be special in his own way. The older I've gotten the more I'm trying to appreciate how good these kids are while they are playing. Not just years after...
 
What I noticed from watching ^^ is how fast he gets his shot off. Very hard to defend. He has the ability to juke the defender with his dribble and get them going in the wrong direction then pop it. Take that 5656.
 
PCHawk said:
So I have some time to kill so I decided to watch a game on the DVR. I went with the Maryland game and I'll tell you right now, Bohannon's assists are anything but unimpressive. The way he creates angles that aren't there to feed the post is something I don't really ever see around college basketball much, and he does it over and over. He is an elite passer and an elite shooter. That is the exact kind of point guard this team needs.
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That step back crossover 3 pointer was a thing of beauty. If he incorporates more of that into his game not only will it create spacing to get his jumper off those feeds to the post become even easier.
 
PCHawk said:
So I have some time to kill so I decided to watch a game on the DVR. I went with the Maryland game and I'll tell you right now, Bohannon's assists are anything but unimpressive. The way he creates angles that aren't there to feed the post is something I don't really ever see around college basketball much, and he does it over and over. He is an elite passer and an elite shooter. That is the exact kind of point guard this team needs.
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I posted this after the first half. The second half was more of the same. He can get the ball in the post whenever he wants. That's a huge plus when considering the post scorers we have the next few years.
 
Impressive assists to me says fancy, through the legs, behind the back Globetrotters stuff,which may also be described as high risk. I would rather have a point like Jordy that can find an open lane to make a lower risk pass and still get the same result.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What I noticed from watching ^^ is how fast he gets his shot off. Very hard to defend. He has the ability to juke the defender with his dribble and get them going in the wrong direction then pop it. Take that 5656.
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This is one reason why having him play half his minutes at the SG, running through screens, with the specific intent of launching a 3, makes sense.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What are the other deficiencies? He was up there in top 3 for assists and assist to TO margin. Couple that with his shooting and you have a pretty effective PG. I'll take it anyway.
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ball handling (left hand for certain) and lateral quickness, not straight line speed) and inability to beat his man off the dribble at a high consistency. Those are three traditional pg functionalities. I am not knocking him; I obviously, believe this kid is ultra talented. I just think Fran can and should find a way to get him minutes at SG and allow CW to play pg and utilize JBo's shooting talents and CW's defensive talents.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What are the other deficiencies? He was up there in top 3 for assists and assist to TO margin. Couple that with his shooting and you have a pretty effective PG. I'll take it anyway.
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I would say his two deficiencies are defense, as most of us know, and sometimes he tries to make the perfect pass and squeeze the ball in somewhere and then it ends up being a turnover. The latter deficiency you almost have to admire though because it's good that he's trying to make something happen.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
I would say his two deficiencies are defense, as most of us know, and sometimes he tries to make the perfect pass and squeeze the ball in somewhere and then it ends up being a turnover. The latter deficiency you almost have to admire though because it's good that he's trying to make something happen.
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I don't think the second one is a deficiency at all because he is successful plenty often enough to make the turnovers worth it. It seems to me more of his turnovers were on careless passes where he wasn't really trying to do anything, rather than on thread the needle type passes.
 
TJHawkeye said:
Impressive assists to me says fancy, through the legs, behind the back Globetrotters stuff,which may also be described as high risk. I would rather have a point like Jordy that can find an open lane to make a lower risk pass and still get the same result.
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To me, impressive assists are ones where you make a play to get the shooter open. Unimpressive assists are the ones where the shooter makes a tough jump shot and you just happened to be the one who passed him the ball. My whole point that was that Gesell benefited a lot in the assist column by having two extraordinary contested jump shooters. If he had guys like Cook and Pemsl on his team, they would have gone to waste for the most part because Gesell couldn't feed the post very well.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What I noticed from watching ^^ is how fast he gets his shot off. Very hard to defend. He has the ability to juke the defender with his dribble and get them going in the wrong direction then pop it. Take that 5656.
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He has no wasted motion. When his feet are set/shoulders square his shot is the same every single time. From the motion to his release point. That's how the best of the best diferenciate themselves. There almost is no motion. Some guys have to kind of cock their arms or get a better grip on the ball when they are catching it off a pass to shoot. His is ridiculously smooth and fast. That'll be his MO for sure. But that's not all he is either. He's a heck of a floor general and he got better at being a leader as the year went on. Nothing easy about being a leader day 1 and he admitingly wasn't. Like most freshmen he was a bit tentative and unsure of his place/role. But by the end of the year.... I can't wait to see how his career goes and how Iowa does during it.
 
PCHawk said:
To me, impressive assists are ones where you make a play to get the shooter open. Unimpressive assists are the ones where the shooter makes a tough jump shot and you just happened to be the one who passed him the ball. My whole point that was that Gesell benefited a lot in the assist column by having two extraordinary contested jump shooters. If he had guys like Cook and Pemsl on his team, they would have gone to waste for the most part because Gesell couldn't feed the post very well.
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I got your impressive assists right here...
 
PCHawk said:
To me, impressive assists are ones where you make a play to get the shooter open. Unimpressive assists are the ones where the shooter makes a tough jump shot and you just happened to be the one who passed him the ball. My whole point that was that Gesell benefited a lot in the assist column by having two extraordinary contested jump shooters. If he had guys like Cook and Pemsl on his team, they would have gone to waste for the most part because Gesell couldn't feed the post very well.
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Did Mike sleep with your girlfriend? Mike never really had a player like Cook or Pemsl that was a back to the basket type player
 
ArvadaHawk said:
ball handling (left hand for certain) and lateral quickness, not straight line speed) and inability to beat his man off the dribble at a high consistency. Those are three traditional pg functionalities. I am not knocking him; I obviously, believe this kid is ultra talented. I just think Fran can and should find a way to get him minutes at SG and allow CW to play pg and utilize JBo's shooting talents and CW's defensive talents.
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If that's what you want then CW has to step his game up.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Did Mike sleep with your girlfriend? Mike never really had a player like Cook or Pemsl that was a back to the basket type player
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I'm just not willing to call a guy a good passer when he looks at an easy pass to a guy posting up and ignores it repeatedly.
 
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