Oh Jesus, really?????????????????? (see duplicate thread soon to be posted)

[Chickenlounge]

You missed the part about the video starting well after they made verbal contact with him. Don't you wonder why they didn't show footage before or footage from the other officers that were there?

I'm not sure that Sheriff deputies have bodycams yet. There were two uniformed ICPD officers, 2 plainclothes officers, and one deputy I believe. My guess is that the uniformed officers have bodycams, but plainclothed officers do not wear them.

Could also be that they only had budget to buy X number this year, and will be looking to add more in the next budgeting cycle.

These are all just possibilities, I don't know if they're 100% accurate or not.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Oh, you're one of those people who believe every issue has two equally-weighted sides. It's a free country. But in this instance trjsirius is arguing the cops are the bad guys. They aren't. And I think you've already made it clear you feel the same. But now you want to back him because you feel uncomfortable watching him lose this debate. Oh, and make no mistake, he's already lost the debate on this specific topic.

I could care less whether trjsirius loses a debate. I am also not obligated to stand behind obvious flaws in authorities and institutions, even institutions I support. I was pretty specific about where the system breaks down. Ultimately, there is an lack of legal accountability when it comes to on duty shootings and gross misconduct by police officers. The legal system is fundamentally flawed. I do strongly disagree with the sort of blanket characterizations that trjsirius and others make against police. I think they are incorrect and counter productive.

 

[PCHawk]

People are so reactionary these days. They always think you have to go to such extremes to solve problems and over correct them. Just like when the housing market crashed. Mortgage lenders were abusing their powers and bending the rules with who to give loans too. Instead of making them stop, they change the rules and make it almost impossible to get a loan. Why not just start following the perfectly reasonable rules that were already in place and being broken?

If a bad guy shoots someone, people want to take away guns. What problems will that solve? It will just change the way people get killed. After what happened in France, where's the outrage to take away trucks?

There are definitely some shady cops who do shady things. That doesn't mean you need to condemn a cop every time he gets put in a tough situation. Especially when the victim of the situation was thankful for how they handled it. It's unfair to think cops should quit drawing their guns just because some shady cops have shot people when they shouldn't have. And it's unfair to say cops are putting innocent lives at risk when it's the bad guy who robbed a bank that put innocent lives at risk.

 

[Joshbrown]

. . . I could care less . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html

^^^^ When police are crucified on the altar of political correctness.



VVVVVV This is what happens.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/baltimore-killings-soar-level-unseen-43-years

BTW, none of the 6 went to prison. Does that disappoint you?

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Watching the video, my observations.

1. There is a lot of obesity there. Obese officers will result in shortcuts taken as they can't run and maneuver quickly and for sure not for very long.

2. The city officer trying to hide the gun behind his back could have triggered panic. If you are going to unholster, don't try and hide it. Go ahead and bring it pointing it down. Having a hand on top of a gun also raises tension.

3. The body cams are missing info and the hand over the camera doesn't come across well. Very unprofessional. Seems to happen a lot across the country.....

4. There are missing body cams, but there are different jurisdictions present.

5. I know they were looking for a suspect, but traumatizing someone and saying "Have a Nice Day" or something to that effect is NOT professional. Was he contacted later?

6. They wasted a lot of resources on a false alarm while the real culprit got away.

7. I seriously doubt that if the description they received was of a white brown haired white mail wearing black with something on his head....I doubt they would have stopped everyone meeting that description.

8. Having worked in a bank, I can tell you that they could have had a picture sent out within 10 minutes. Banks (at least some) go through very specific training. The police should know exactly who to contact at a specific location.

IC Police need to change bank robbery protocol. This was very poorly handled.

Sorry, But I would characterize most of this as largely irrelevant nitpicking. You are trying to hard to make this into an incident.

Getting pictures off a security tape within ten minutes would be fabulous. Let everyone know when this capability is available and can be budgeted.

 

[PCHawk]

After watching the video, I will say that having that many officers wasting that much time with a suspect after it was established he was clearly innocent wasn't very productive. They had a small window of opportunity to catch the suspect while he was fleeing the scene and that window was lost.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Watching the video, my observations.

1. There is a lot of obesity there. Obese officers will result in shortcuts taken as they can't run and maneuver quickly and for sure not for very long.

2. The city officer trying to hide the gun behind his back could have triggered panic. If you are going to unholster, don't try and hide it. Go ahead and bring it pointing it down. Having a hand on top of a gun also raises tension.

3. The body cams are missing info and the hand over the camera doesn't come across well. Very unprofessional. Seems to happen a lot across the country.....

4. There are missing body cams, but there are different jurisdictions present.

5. I know they were looking for a suspect, but traumatizing someone and saying "Have a Nice Day" or something to that effect is NOT professional. Was he contacted later?

6. They wasted a lot of resources on a false alarm while the real culprit got away.

7. I seriously doubt that if the description they received was of a white brown haired white mail wearing black with something on his head....I doubt they would have stopped everyone meeting that description.

8. Having worked in a bank, I can tell you that they could have had a picture sent out within 10 minutes. Banks (at least some) go through very specific training. The police should know exactly who to contact at a specific location.

IC Police need to change bank robbery protocol. This was very poorly handled.

Can I ask you a question? How old are you?

 

[Joshbrown]

After watching the video, I will say that having that many officers wasting that much time with a suspect after it was established he was clearly innocent wasn't very productive. They had a small window of opportunity to catch the suspect while he was fleeing the scene and that window was lost.

That's a different discussion. This thread is more about whether unfair profiling took place. And whether the police acted professionally. I think it's clear all parties involved acted with maturity and that reflects well on Iowa City as well as Kirk's program.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

That's a different discussion. This thread is more about whether unfair profiling took place. And whether the police acted professionally. I think it's clear all parties involved acted with maturity and that reflects well on Iowa City as well as Kirk's program.

It also makes for a boring and lousy story line...no matter, some will try to make something out of it other than what it was. Let it go folks.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

To those who think the IC police acted wrong in this situation, this is from an ABC article on this. How do you not think this was done correctly by the IC police. They explained to Faith why he was being checked, they did it in a matter of minutes, they were civil to him and wished him well. I don't know what you want from our police, but this was done professionally and correctly. What more should they have done? Seriously!! Give them a break.

ABC News.

Police released bodycam footage showing an encounter last week between a black University of Iowa football player and officers who were looking for a robbery suspect.

The video was released Tuesday and shows defensive end Faith Ekakitie being stopped and searched by police in Benton Hill Park in Iowa City on July 20. Police said Ekakitie had matched the description of a suspect involved in an armed robbery just 10 minutes earlier.

The incident was first described by Ekakitie in a Facebook post the same day of the encounter. Ekakitie said it was "the first time that I've ever truly feared for my life," but added that the police handled the situation "very professionally" once they realized that he was not the suspect.

At the beginning of the nearly seven-minute-long video, an officer can be heard telling Ekakitie to put his hands up while they approached him. The same officer could also be heard saying "It's probably not you, but we've got to double check."

Ekakitie wrote that he was playing "Pokemon Go" in a public park when he was surrounded by police "with four gun barrels staring me in the face." Ekakitie said he feared for his life but understood why police did what they did.

He admitted he was wearing headphones while playing the popular mobile app and didn't hear when officers initially approached him. An officer could also be heard telling another officer that Ekakitie did have his headphones on.

"I was actually playing Pokemon Go, believe it or not," Ekakitie said while being searched. "I believe it, actually," the officer replied.


After the officers check Ekakitie's ID, one thanks him for his cooperation.

"Within two minutes of the initial contact, officers determined that Mr. Ekakitie was not the suspect." The Iowa City police department said in a statement. "Officers then explained why they had detained him. After routine checks to verify Mr. Ekakitie’s identify were completed, officers left the park."

"I would also urge people to be more aware of their surroundings because clearly I wasn't," admitted Ekakitie.

 

[tksirius]

After watching the video, I will say that having that many officers wasting that much time with a suspect after it was established he was clearly innocent wasn't very productive. They had a small window of opportunity to catch the suspect while he was fleeing the scene and that window was lost.

But it made for a great story! Seriously, anyone that has been a LEO or has worked with them understands that they kept questioning him so they could arrest/ticket him for something. Cops are trained from the get go to do this.

 

[HawkGold]

My observation. You seem to know it all, run for office.

You seem to not be OK with others observations. You really want to live in a place where authority is never questioned for improvement? Might be more useful to intelligently critique where I am wrong on my observations.

 

[PCHawk]

You seem to not be OK with others observations. You really want to live in a place where authority is never questioned for improvement? Might be more useful to intelligently critique where I am wrong on my observations.

Authority should definitely be questioned. This just isn't one of those times. Or I guess it should be questioned, then those questions confirm that they handled the situation well. At least the situation of how much force they used. If I was their boss I would tell them that they must have forgotten an armed robber was out there. Perhaps a brisk jog back to their cars was warrented at least.

 

[tksirius]

Bank Robbery is a big deal. The search of Faith happened 10 minutes after ICPD was notified of the robbery. If these officers weren't told an approximate weight in that 10 minutes, well, somebody dropped the ball there. I'd like to know if the communications between dispatch and patrol were recorded. I find it very difficult to believe that they only had "tall black man in black clothes" to go on.

Were not talking about shoplifting here, we're talking about bank robbery.

 

[Joshbrown]

. . . Authority should definitely be questioned . . .

Do you really want to teach your children to be aggressive toward cops?

"Son, when a cop pulls you over because you're speeding with a phone to your ear and a blunt between your lips, always remember to tell him your father works for the ACLU and you'll have his badge if he doesn't escort you to an air-conditioned safe space for a debriefing free from trigger words."

 

[HawkGold]

Bank Robbery is a big deal. The search of Faith happened 10 minutes after ICPD was notified of the robbery. If these officers weren't told an approximate weight in that 10 minutes, well, somebody dropped the ball there. I'd like to know if the communications between dispatch and patrol were recorded. I find it very difficult to believe that they only had "tall black man in black clothes" to go on.

Were not talking about shoplifting here, we're talking about bank robbery.

Exactly, someone dropped the ball and all this didn't need to go down as it did. IF the suspect was white with brown hair, I can promise they wouldn't stop everyone of that description.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

You seem to not be OK with others observations. You really want to live in a place where authority is never questioned for improvement? Might be more useful to intelligently critique where I am wrong on my observations.

You seem to really be stretching what I actually said to fit your agenda, both of your assertions are wrong. Let's start there.

 

[HawkGold]

To those who think the IC police acted wrong in this situation, this is from an ABC article on this. How do you not think this was done correctly by the IC police. They explained to Faith why he was being checked, they did it in a matter of minutes, they were civil to him and wished him well. I don't know what you want from our police, but this was done professionally and correctly. What more should they have done? Seriously!! Give them a break.

ABC News.

Police released bodycam footage showing an encounter last week between a black University of Iowa football player and officers who were looking for a robbery suspect.

The video was released Tuesday and shows defensive end Faith Ekakitie being stopped and searched by police in Benton Hill Park in Iowa City on July 20. Police said Ekakitie had matched the description of a suspect involved in an armed robbery just 10 minutes earlier.

The incident was first described by Ekakitie in a Facebook post the same day of the encounter. Ekakitie said it was "the first time that I've ever truly feared for my life," but added that the police handled the situation "very professionally" once they realized that he was not the suspect.

At the beginning of the nearly seven-minute-long video, an officer can be heard telling Ekakitie to put his hands up while they approached him. The same officer could also be heard saying "It's probably not you, but we've got to double check."

Ekakitie wrote that he was playing "Pokemon Go" in a public park when he was surrounded by police "with four gun barrels staring me in the face." Ekakitie said he feared for his life but understood why police did what they did.

He admitted he was wearing headphones while playing the popular mobile app and didn't hear when officers initially approached him. An officer could also be heard telling another officer that Ekakitie did have his headphones on.

"I was actually playing Pokemon Go, believe it or not," Ekakitie said while being searched. "I believe it, actually," the officer replied.


After the officers check Ekakitie's ID, one thanks him for his cooperation.

"Within two minutes of the initial contact, officers determined that Mr. Ekakitie was not the suspect." The Iowa City police department said in a statement. "Officers then explained why they had detained him. After routine checks to verify Mr. Ekakitie’s identify were completed, officers left the park."

"I would also urge people to be more aware of their surroundings because clearly I wasn't," admitted Ekakitie.

First, since when is ABC the authority on the matter. What they and other outlets leave out are his other words:

"I am thankful to be alive, and I do now realize that it very well could have been me, a friend of mine, my brother, your cousin, your nephew etc."

""I would urge us all to at least attempt to unlearn some of the prejudices that we have learned about each other [that] now plague our minds and our society," Ekakitie wrote in closing. "I am convinced that in the same way that we learned these prejudices, we can also unlearn them."

Again, if the suspect was white with brown hair, they would have had to stop a lot of people in a college town that were large with brown hair wearing black when the school colors are black.

The officer trying to conceal his gun behind his back would have set a number of people off with a perceived threat. The officer was an idiot besides being too out of shape to be on the street.

 

[Joshbrown]

Watching the video, my observations.

1. There is a lot of obesity there. Obese officers will result in shortcuts taken as they can't run and maneuver quickly and for sure not for very long.

2. The city officer trying to hide the gun behind his back could have triggered panic. If you are going to unholster, don't try and hide it. Go ahead and bring it pointing it down. Having a hand on top of a gun also raises tension.

3. The body cams are missing info and the hand over the camera doesn't come across well. Very unprofessional. Seems to happen a lot across the country.....

4. There are missing body cams, but there are different jurisdictions present.

5. I know they were looking for a suspect, but traumatizing someone and saying "Have a Nice Day" or something to that effect is NOT professional. Was he contacted later?

6. They wasted a lot of resources on a false alarm while the real culprit got away.

7. I seriously doubt that if the description they received was of a white brown haired white mail wearing black with something on his head....I doubt they would have stopped everyone meeting that description.

8. Having worked in a bank, I can tell you that they could have had a picture sent out within 10 minutes. Banks (at least some) go through very specific training. The police should know exactly who to contact at a specific location.

IC Police need to change bank robbery protocol. This was very poorly handled.

Are you sirius?

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Watching the video, my observations.

6. They wasted a lot of resources on a false alarm while the real culprit got away..

I am no expert, but I'll go out on a limb here.

Two things. First, you really can't tell from the video how many officers are on the scene, and just when officers leave. Second, You don't want to leave a bare minimum of officers with a suspect while he is being identified, especially a 290 pound suspect that is built like a brontosaurus. The Canadian ID probably did hold things up for a couple of minutes. Not much the local police department can do about that bit.