Oh Jesus, really?????????????????? (see duplicate thread soon to be posted)

Joshbrown said:
Are you sirius?
:rolleyes:
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Totally...
deanvogs said:
Cops shouldn't question a man close to the scene of the crime that fits the description, because "he is just out in the open"? You do realize how stupid that is right? You prefer that they just go to the donut shop and have a snack?
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No one said not to question him. It's how they did it. Sorry, but law abiding citizens shouldn't have to have a gun pulled out by someone to talk with them. Think about how you'd feel if your kid was questioned in a less than friendly manner for something they didn't do. We have rule of law. He should not have had at least one officer approach with a gun behind his back. Ask a combat vet that has been in urban fighting what their reaction might have been. You had multiple officers (immensely out of shape) approaching someone who did not have the element of surprise.

We do not live in a police state. Some of you are hopelessly indoctrinated. And this doesn't even account for the race factor.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
I'd say that until Robocops become a reality, human error will take place and police officers will make mistakes, ranging from the paltry mistakes made in this case to more disastrous ones. If we're going to nitpick about mistakes made in this case, and expect changes to be made nationally due to said kind of mistakes, then we in this nation as a whole are in trouble.
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Robocops wouldn't fix the problem. Go to any prison and you'll find that everyone inside is innocent. Just ask them. That's the problem with contemporary society. Everyone has perfected the art of blame-shifting. Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. We live in a world where the mothers of criminals are held up at a major political convention as heroes . . . while at the same time the mothers of assassinated police officers aren't even invited to that same convention.
 
Joshbrown said:
Robocops wouldn't fix the problem. Go to any prison and you'll find that everyone inside is innocent. Just ask them. That's the problem with contemporary society. Everyone has perfected the art of blame-shifting. Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. We live in a world where the mothers of criminals are held up at a major political convention as heroes . . . while at the same time the mothers of assassinated police officers aren't even invited to that same convention.
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Completely agree. I tend to believe that society as a whole is more so the problem and the police are expected to magically fix everything.
 
HawkGold said:
Totally...


No one said not to question him. It's how they did it. Sorry, but law abiding citizens shouldn't have to have a gun pulled out by someone to talk with them. Think about how you'd feel if your kid was questioned in a less than friendly manner for something they didn't do. We have rule of law. He should not have had at least one officer approach with a gun behind his back. Ask a combat vet that has been in urban fighting what their reaction might have been. You had multiple officers (immensely out of shape) approaching someone who did not have the element of surprise.

We do not live in a police state. Some of you are hopelessly indoctrinated. And this doesn't even account for the race factor.
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Please tell me this post is a joke. I mean you are seriously comparing the cops questioning a person who fits the description of a suspect in the vicinity of a crime to a police state? This wasn't some rando thing the cops were doing, they were doing their jobs.

You are so far out of touch with this, it is incredible. Nobody is for a "police state", and even comparing this to a police state, or saying something about out of shape cops and war vets in urban warefare???? I mean WTF are you even talking about, it is like you are in lala land.
 
Joshbrown said:
Do you really want to teach your children to be aggressive toward cops?

"Son, when a cop pulls you over because you're speeding with a phone to your ear and a blunt between your lips, always remember to tell him your father works for the ACLU and you'll have his badge if he doesn't escort you to an air-conditioned safe space for a debriefing free from trigger words."
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That's not what I meant. I meant they should always be evaluated and cratiqued by their superiors after something like this takes place. In this situation they will find nothing. But they wouldn't know that until after they looked.
 
tksirius said:
Ok, wander around in the open with headphones on using his smartphone. Better?
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He said he pulled his phone out of his pocket. That means he was just starting to play Pokémon. I don't think he was wondering around staring at his phone yet.
 
Joshbrown said:
Robocops wouldn't fix the problem. Go to any prison and you'll find that everyone inside is innocent. Just ask them. That's the problem with contemporary society. Everyone has perfected the art of blame-shifting. Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. We live in a world where the mothers of criminals are held up at a major political convention as heroes . . . while at the same time the mothers of assassinated police officers aren't even invited to that same convention.
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Hey man, you're preaching to the choir on that one. Bravo.
 
HawkGold said:
Totally...


No one said not to question him. It's how they did it. Sorry, but law abiding citizens shouldn't have to have a gun pulled out by someone to talk with them. Think about how you'd feel if your kid was questioned in a less than friendly manner for something they didn't do. We have rule of law. He should not have had at least one officer approach with a gun behind his back. Ask a combat vet that has been in urban fighting what their reaction might have been. You had multiple officers (immensely out of shape) approaching someone who did not have the element of surprise.

We do not live in a police state. Some of you are hopelessly indoctrinated. And this doesn't even account for the race factor.
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I have got to ask. Do you live in a small town, something like 3,000 or less?
 
deanvogs said:
Please tell me this post is a joke. I mean you are seriously comparing the cops questioning a person who fits the description of a suspect in the vicinity of a crime to a police state? This wasn't some rando thing the cops were doing, they were doing their jobs.

You are so far out of touch with this, it is incredible. Nobody is for a "police state", and even comparing this to a police state, or saying something about out of shape cops and war vets in urban warefare???? I mean WTF are you even talking about, it is like you are in lala land.
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No it's not a joke. I think you understand me very well. You don't agree. In a free society it's not about catching the bad guy at all cost. Been watching to many John Wayne movies?
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Our society now is one that suppresses the majority to appease the minority.
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In a sense, that is exactly what a Republic is about. Protecting the minority over the majority. You are basically saying that because the minority and this case the race of the subject was the one wronged for the supposed good of the majority (white). That's why we have the electoral college to keep NY and Cal from dominating Iowa. That is why we have a senate and house that have different rules. Specifically it is about how they used guns that is the issue. Not that they stopped him. Watch the video the police upped the tension with that gun behind the back. He should have had it out in plain site if he was going to unholster and point it down.
 
HawkGold said:
In a sense, that is exactly what a Republic is about. Protecting the minority over the majority. You are basically saying that because the minority and this case the race of the subject was the one wronged for the supposed good of the majority (white). That's why we have the electoral college to keep NY and Cal from dominating Iowa. That is why we have a senate and house that have different rules. Specifically it is about how they used guns that is the issue. Not that they stopped him. Watch the video the police upped the tension with that gun behind the back. He should have had it out in plain site if he was going to unholster and point it down.
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This country was founded on Freedoms for All. Our police protect the safety of ALL that do not break the laws of our land. The reason our three branches have different rules that govern how they operate is to prevent our leaders from turning our country away from being a Democracy.

Regarding the cop that unholstered his gun and held it behind his back, out of sight; my first reaction to that was he was trying to de-escalate and not provoke a potentially armed person into pulling a gun. At the time the cop had his gun drawn and put it behind his back, Faith was considered BOTH potentially armed AND unarmed and the cop didn't want to point his weapon and a potentially unarmed man. I still believe this is what happened.
 
HawkGold said:
No it's not a joke. I think you understand me very well. You don't agree. In a free society it's not about catching the bad guy at all cost. Been watching to many John Wayne movies?
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Once again, you are trying to make this something it isn't. I would agree with you if the robbery happened two weeks ago and the police were using Gestapo tactics two weeks later. You seem to have an axe to grind about an overall greater issue. Sorry to say, but in my mind you make your issue weaker when you try to make EVERY case into your greater issue. The police were using common sense, and questioning a person who fit the description of a suspect that was in the vicinity of a crime that was just committed. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this.
 
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