IndianaHawk
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We don't need to tighten the rotation. Williams and Kriener shouldn't ride the pine.
Nunge Garza Perfect Storm
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trj
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Can't remember the exact game(first Indiana game?) where you are thinking to yourself this is the guy you need CW to be.
I still have hope that guy will show up more often. I'm just not going to sell my CW stock just yet. I am not going to debate you on this we are all in agreement that they need more from him.
NikeHawk21
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The frustrating thing with Williams is most of his struggles appear to be between the ears. He even said in a recent interview that he's always had confidence issues in basketball.
I firmly believe the talent is there, but after struggling some early in the year he never really regained his confidence. Let's hope he gets it back this year.
I firmly believe the talent is there, but after struggling some early in the year he never really regained his confidence. Let's hope he gets it back this year.
BILLYBOBSTEXAS
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As to shortening the rotation, one of the Hawks best players from last year (Pemsl) isn't even getting mentioned for any minutes at all! Seem kind of hilarious to me!
Why do you say that if you don't mind me asking? Most successful teams play 8 or 9 man rotations
Pemsl was so efficient offensively last year and he's going to play a lot. He was injured for most of the year and still dominated at times!
NikeHawk21
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Well we have two incoming freshman, who most are expecting to play. We have 13 scholarship players who probably are all hopeful that they will be part of the rotation.
It seems pretty logical that the interest in Garza and Nunge has led us here.
BigD
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This is true but the thread title is about Garza and Nunge and I am checking in to see how things have been going for them not to read four pages of re-hash on player rotation. What was said in those four (correction; nine) pages could have been said in one page.
All I know is the two freshmen coming in are dominating the PTL... They can put the ball in the basket and have a ton of confidence in their games. They are 1 and 2 in scoring. I'm not going to say I expect them both to start day one. But if not then at some point in the year I won't be surprised if they are. If they can play D at all and keep the mental mistakes/turnovers to a minimum it'll be tough to keep them off the floor. They just provide more size and overall upside then what Wagner/Uhl/Pemsl do. All three of them have some obvious deficiencies to their games. These two may have some of their own too but so far their ability to score inside and out as much as they can to me gives them a heck of a leg up for serious playing time...
SteveGarvey1
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You just hope no bigs become disgruntled for lack of playing time. You hope they think team first, which probably they will do. Could see this leading to a transfer at the end of next season, though that's hardly going out on a limb.
I'm trying to temper my expectations some because it's just PTL (thanks Fleming) but it's hard to do considering what they bring to the table. Garza is just huge and he was such a highly recruited prospect and Nunge just seems to be just like Uthoff and both are very confident
You can eliminate "successful" from your post and it would still be true. It's not like the successful teams are successful because of their rotation. They are successful already and just happen to have an 8 or 9 team rotation because that is the norm.
Good point and that's true, I am just looking at teams that have been successful in our own conference. Purdue won the conference last year playing 8 guys. Wisconsin usually played 9 guys. I just hope Fran trims the rotation down. I said the 4 guys I wanted to sit out and at some point you have to make tough decisions. Another poster just said Kriener and Williams proved they deserved minutes and I guess I don't understand that logic. With Cook, Pemsl, Dom, Kriener, Garza and Nunge you shouldn't play more than 4 of those guys every night. If you could redshirt Nunge that would make things much easier but I think he's going to be too good not to play
Interesting that cytwins guy doesn't use periods at the end of his posts. That seems familiar for some reason....
Yeah... A guy like Kriener can really play. He's a guy that could play for a bunch of other schools if not as a starter more than what he will for us next yr. Guys like Uhl and Wagner are far enough along it don't matter. But I'd be so much happier if Kriener were to get more mins than those two but I doubt that'll happen...
Yeah no chance Nunge red shirts. When it comes to Cook and Pemsl I think those guys played better when the other was off the floor... If my memory is correct Pemsl played lights out when Cook was out that little while. And Cook didn't seem to play his best when Pemsl was out there with him. Their lack of midrange/outside games clutters up the lane I think so they may be better playing with one of them on the floor at a time alongside someone else. The debate for how they divide mins for the bigs will be an ongoing topic all year I bet because Fran will try and play a lot of bodies because he does feel good players earn PT... How that'll translate to the team chemistry and ultimately wins and losses we'll see...
Interesting point, but not sure I can agree. Fran has tried to recruit (evidence is in who he offered) penetrating point guards, but so far hasn't landed some of his top targets there. He has gotten around some of that by having forwards taking the ball to the hoop in some prior years. Last year, as you point out, the team compensated for that to get shots off but often they were long 3's or more shots quicker in transition. Iowa had some excellent shooters (Ex. Jordan and Pete) so it worked on many occasions, but from what I have seen, I would still say Fran's offense is built to be more effective with dribble penetration, he just hasn't always had that talent on the team and has coached around it accordingly.
NikeHawk21
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It may just be PTL hysteria but I keep coming back to this line of thinking that both the freshman in the starting lineup makes a ton of sense.
Garza has the build of a true center and I won't be surprised if he starts from day one.
I think Baer will be in the starting lineup to open the season at the 3, but eventually Fran may decide to give Nunge the nod and let Baer go back to his role as the super sub.
Okay, how cool would it be to start 3 sophomores and 2 freshman? Also our rebounding and zone would look pretty good with a frontline of 6'11, 6'9 (freak athlete), 6'11.
