theboat
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I am sure he will still run back to his corner with the "cool" kids and brag about how he trolled you good.
MJ is LeBron's *****.
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I am sure he will still run back to his corner with the "cool" kids and brag about how he trolled you good.
JonDMiller
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Ask yourselves these questions and choose MJ or LBJ
1. I need one player for one season to win a title. I choose
2. I need one player for one night to win one game. I choose
3. I need one player for one career to build around. I choose
I am picking MJ in two of the three without much thought at all...#3 I'd need to give a little more thought to but probably not much, at this time.
1. I need one player for one season to win a title. I choose
2. I need one player for one night to win one game. I choose
3. I need one player for one career to build around. I choose
I am picking MJ in two of the three without much thought at all...#3 I'd need to give a little more thought to but probably not much, at this time.
theboat
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I agree with Boat, MJ had that natural leadership abililty and had that killer instinct that LBJ seems to lack. LBJ might be the leader on Miami now but he leads merely out of the fact he is their leading scorer and that is it.
Are you asking yourself this question at the age of 28 in each players career? Not many people remember Jordan at 28, everyone obviously knows LBJ at 28.
I think to be fair these questions really can't be answered until LBJ is retired and then think about it. Plus if you think about it, the NBA is a completely different game now than it was 20 years ago. Even 10 years ago when Jordan retired, it seems like a different game. Less emphasis on defense and more on just offense.
littlesparky23
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This should be very interesting to look back at in a few years.
99topdawg
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Jordan was not allowed to be hand-checked or even breathed on wrong. However, he was allowed to push off, travel, carry, etc., as were the other superstars. Remember the "superstar" scandal with the officials being told to let them dominate the game (give them calls)?
Also, if we compare the two at the end of the season in which they won their first rings:
theboat
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This is a joke right? I think Joe Dumars had actually taken up residence in Jordan's shorts at one point.
99topdawg
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If we want to throw coaches quotes out there, we can do that as well.
Stan Van Gundy: Lebron James is Already Better Than Michael Jordan | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline
See, both sides can pull up stuff that people say, charts that show different things, but the bottom line is, it's unfinished. At this point in their careers, I think Lebron is better. If he gets a Pippen to play with (young future hall of famer), he can certainly approach the 6 rings and statistically, there's no question he will be near equal to MJ. They played in different eras. People have had more rings (Russell). People have had much better stats (Wilt). So to say that MJ is the GOAT and always will be is ridiculous.
Stan Van Gundy: Lebron James is Already Better Than Michael Jordan | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline
See, both sides can pull up stuff that people say, charts that show different things, but the bottom line is, it's unfinished. At this point in their careers, I think Lebron is better. If he gets a Pippen to play with (young future hall of famer), he can certainly approach the 6 rings and statistically, there's no question he will be near equal to MJ. They played in different eras. People have had more rings (Russell). People have had much better stats (Wilt). So to say that MJ is the GOAT and always will be is ridiculous.
99topdawg
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If he asked for a foul to be called (through his acting, whiny face) he got it.
99topdawg
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Actually, Lebron is 5/12 on game winning/tying shots in the playoffs (1 below .500). MJ is 9/18, or .500. It did happen to MJ. We're just led to believe that he was perfect. Here's just one example of his imperfection:
[video=youtube;hy5iWpQuxos]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy5iWpQuxos[/video]
JonDMiller
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99 et all;
Go back and check the NBA's free agency/cap/rules from the late 1980's and into the 1990's in Jordan's era and compare them to those from now which allowed Lebron to 'take his talents to South Beach' and basically orchestrate a Big Three situation.
If it were the old school 'Bird Rights' days, Cleveland would have been able to offer Lebron as much money as they wanted to offer him, or at the least far more than what any other team could have offered him. While he still could have made more money playing for Cleveland than Miami or elsewhere, it's nowhere near close to how it used to be back in the day. The older rules were set up to keep teams together and if you drafted well, you were likely to hold on to your players given the financial structuring.
Lebron is doing things on the court I have never seen someone of his size do. He's already a top 10 all timer and destined to be 1, 2 or 3. But he ain't 1 yet.
Go back and check the NBA's free agency/cap/rules from the late 1980's and into the 1990's in Jordan's era and compare them to those from now which allowed Lebron to 'take his talents to South Beach' and basically orchestrate a Big Three situation.
If it were the old school 'Bird Rights' days, Cleveland would have been able to offer Lebron as much money as they wanted to offer him, or at the least far more than what any other team could have offered him. While he still could have made more money playing for Cleveland than Miami or elsewhere, it's nowhere near close to how it used to be back in the day. The older rules were set up to keep teams together and if you drafted well, you were likely to hold on to your players given the financial structuring.
Lebron is doing things on the court I have never seen someone of his size do. He's already a top 10 all timer and destined to be 1, 2 or 3. But he ain't 1 yet.
JonDMiller
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99, question germane only to this debate. How old are you, or rather, how old were you from around 1986-1996?
DuffMan
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My post was referencing another earlier in this thread that was quoted accurately. It was also sarcastic.
I'd probably take Jordan on one posession, and for one game. But a season is made up of many games, and a game is made up of many posessions. Over the course of a season LBJ right now is better than LBJ in his prime. He can, and does, do more on a nightly basis.
If I were an owner and had to take one or the other to build around Id tske LBJ in a heartbeat. Hes a better basketbsll player and does more for my team.
99topdawg
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JH, HS and college. Followed the Bulls and watched them as often as I could. Huge BJ Armstrong fan. To me, it's similar to a friend of mine that is a Cardinal fan and has felt for so long that Pujols is over-rated. The more you watch someone the more fault you see in their game. It's why I really struggle with the whole MJ GOAT thing. It's been a issue of mine for a long time. I guess you could say that I'm as stubborn against the claim as others are for it.
theboat
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I think you are confusing the two. I have never heard of a Jordan whiny face. Can you find one to show me what it looks like? You can use these as a reference point for what a whiny face looks like.
JonDMiller
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It's getting to the point where you probably couldn't go wrong either way
JonDMiller
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JH, HS and college. Followed the Bulls and watched them as often as I could. Huge BJ Armstrong fan. To me, it's similar to a friend of mine that is a Cardinal fan and has felt for so long that Pujols is over-rated. The more you watch someone the more fault you see in their game. It's why I really struggle with the whole MJ GOAT thing. It's been a issue of mine for a long time. I guess you could say that I'm as stubborn against the claim as others are for it.
Thank you. So you certainly have the benefit of memory for both players. One of the interesting thing in the Wilbon article was a reminder of how much we forget. I have watched some of Jordan's old games recently (parts of them) and was reminded at how amazing the guy was and how on a Tuesday night in January he would want to rip out your freaking heart, whether you were the Lakers of the Bucks.
LBJ does not have that...but that is OK, because I have never seen another player have that, either. I never bought into the Kobe > MJ thing...the Lebron > MJ debate has the chance to become much more real.
As far as MJ GOAT...it's not an open and shut case...those who saw all would tell you it was Wilt. I remember debating with my dad about this hardcore...and I never saw Wilt play..pretty stupid to be debating so hard when you have little context. Oscar Robertson was a beast...Bill Russell...so many old timers.
It's easier to go with an all time starting five...Jordan is on it..as is Wilt. The rest, have at it.
JonDMiller
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Boat, Jordan whined to officials too..he just did it with scowls and under the breath comments that were vicious.
JonDMiller
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Some people are starting to look at the game through different prisms, too, such as efficiency...those things are really just starting to become more of a part of the collective psyche...and Lebron is real, real good in that regard.
Me and wolfgang are debating MJ/LBJ via text, as we often do...he just texted me that Lebron has scored something like 50 more points than Kobe through the same number of NBA games, on around 530 fewer shots.
Me and wolfgang are debating MJ/LBJ via text, as we often do...he just texted me that Lebron has scored something like 50 more points than Kobe through the same number of NBA games, on around 530 fewer shots.
