99topdawg
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Baseball is the reason he got the ball stolen and made a bad pass? Nice try. He's just not perfect. That's all I'm trying to say.
MJ is LeBron's *****.
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Baseball is the reason he got the ball stolen and made a bad pass? Nice try. He's just not perfect. That's all I'm trying to say.
Some of us are. And then some of us are on the right side of history
Check out this read
OTL: Michael Jordan Has Not Left The Building - ESPN
an amazing looking into what made and makes Jordan tick, as he nears 50
Here is a part of it germane to these discussions
JORDAN PLAYS his new favorite trivia game, asking which current players could be nearly as successful in his era. "Our era," he says over and over again, calling modern players soft, coddled and ill-prepared for the highest level of the game. This is personal to him, since he'll be compared to this generation, and since he has to build a franchise with this generation's players.
"I'll give you a hint," he says. "I can only come up with four."
He lists them: LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki.
When someone on TV compares LeBron to Oscar Robertson, Jordan fumes. He rolls his eyes, stretches his neck, frustrated. "It's absolutely … " he says, catching himself. "The point is, no one is critiquing the personnel that he's playing against. Their knowledge of how to play the game … that's not a fair comparison. That's not right … Could LeBron be successful in our era? Yes. Would he be as successful? No."
If Jordan's post basketball career has proven one thing, it's that he's absolutely terrible at judging other basketball player's talents.
JonDMiller
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Projecting a player's potential is far different than analyzing a player's present.
So because Jordan can't draft college players he doesn't know anything about players who have been in the league as long as LBJ?
Well he hasn't exactly been nailing his free agent signings and trades either, so yes I would say he is pretty bad at evaluating players who have been in the NBA for quite a while as well.
Ok, so because MJ doesn't do those things well he can't compare the top 5% talent currently in the league? His free agent signings and trades are usually bottom half players.
That plus he's extremely biased here.
I don't know, could be but in my opinion MJ is the man. He will always be #1 to me. There will never be one guy that everyone agrees is the best ever. The one thing that threads like these prove is that you can't argue to change someone's opinion of something that can't be proven as unless it is an absolute fact.
Greatest player at anything is merely an opinion. A major of people might agree but that doesn't make it a fact.
And he's a terrible talent evaluator and spends 90% of his time golfing instead of working.
I wonder if him and Sir Charles still play together alot.
Why he can't afford it because he is spending too much money on his "motorcycle racing team".
And some kick *** jeans too. It takes a lot of material to make baggy jeans for a 6'6" guy.
Is that why all his clothing costs like $85+, hell a pair of socks is $25+. Man makes one hell of a shoe but his clothes are outragous.
herkyattack
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I'm going to backtrack about 6 pages here to where Duff was creaming himself about Lebron's defensive masteries. Defensively, Lebron is incredibly overrated. He is still a very good defender, but people talk like he is an elite defender when that simply is not the case. If you take a look at some advanced defensive metrics (which are still not perfect at this juncture), you will see my point. His Defensive Rating and Defensive Win Shares are significantly lower than similar players like Paul George, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, and Josh Smith.
thejumper5
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LeBron's defensive numbers are worse this year than in any of the past five seasons. Yes, his numbers aren't as good as those guys' this year, but he was better than George, Durant, and Gay (but not Smith) in both stats during the '11-'12 season. He was better than all those guys in DWS in '10 and '11 and tied with Smith in '11 and bettered by Smith in '10 in DRTG. It wouldn't surprise me to find his numbers to be better than those guys again at the end of this season.
DuffMan
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Some of us are. And then some of us are on the right side of history
Check out this read
OTL: Michael Jordan Has Not Left The Building - ESPN
an amazing looking into what made and makes Jordan tick, as he nears 50
Here is a part of it germane to these discussions
JORDAN PLAYS his new favorite trivia game, asking which current players could be nearly as successful in his era. "Our era," he says over and over again, calling modern players soft, coddled and ill-prepared for the highest level of the game. This is personal to him, since he'll be compared to this generation, and since he has to build a franchise with this generation's players.
"I'll give you a hint," he says. "I can only come up with four."
He lists them: LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki.
When someone on TV compares LeBron to Oscar Robertson, Jordan fumes. He rolls his eyes, stretches his neck, frustrated. "It's absolutely … " he says, catching himself. "The point is, no one is critiquing the personnel that he's playing against. Their knowledge of how to play the game … that's not a fair comparison. That's not right … Could LeBron be successful in our era? Yes. Would he be as successful? No."
I don't put much stock into this. I put it in the same category as speech at his HOF induction. MJ will say and do anything to protect his legacy as a player.
Name another sport in which the level of player and play DECREASED from one generation to the next. It just doesn't happen that way. Who in Jordan's era could guard a Kevin Love or Durrant, or even Mello?
trj
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Lebron guards everyone from the 5 spot to point guards, let Billy Beane be the metrics guy, I am pro-Jordan in this debate, but let's not get nutty here Lebron is not overrated defensively. He is asked to do a lot defensively and that pretty much started day one in Cleveland.
