Missing Link to Next Level

proudhawkfan21 said:
I'm surely not adding to anyone's coke habit.
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I don't do drugs. That's how I know we aren't winning 9 or 10 games next year. I'm stone sober. You on the other hand...
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proudhawkfan21 said:
Yep and those 2 seasons count. But in the past 18 seasons.......genius......your whining about the Hawks gets old loser. Deal with it. How have KF's balls tasted for 20 yrs. How do you think they will taste the next 5-6? Enjoy your lunch. Haha I love that you have a few more years of suffering. Love it.
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No. It sounds like you will be the one suffering through it. Many of us occupy our time watching other games on saturdays
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Thats a cop out to say he got easy schedules. He doesnt control big ten scheduling and in Fry's day only Michigan and Ohio State were tough. Look at the history books. It was the big 2 and everyone else. And go back and look at fry's non-conference schedules. Iowa State, Tulsa, New Mexico, UNI, Central Michigan, Hawaii, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati, Utep, Drake....Iowa State every year, Tulsa at least 5 times, UNI 3-4 times....there are a few big time opponents but still heavy on the patsies.
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Ok, fair enough. My contention is that Kirk is vanilla and average and sputters under the bright lights of big games most often. Just my view, but with that production he has been around way to long. I want Iowa to be at the next level. But that's me. Others like vanilla, I don't care for it.
 
oldhawk12 said:
No. It sounds like you will be the one suffering through it. Many of us occupy our time watching other games on saturdays
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Go watch them. Hawks on this board. Go watch other teams play....please. Glad you defend others' ball tasting. Special relationships are hard to come by? Or easy to come by for you two.....pun intended
 
revkev73 said:
Ok, fair enough. My contention is that Kirk is vanilla and average and sputters under the bright lights of big games most often. Just my view, but with that production he has been around way to long. I want Iowa to be at the next level. But that's me. Others like vanilla, I don't care for it.
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Ill agree on style points. I compute Iowa's style to Moneyball. KF plays to keep Iowa competitive. Without the 5* horses, any good coach at any level coaches to give his team the best shot at winning. We have a shot at winning basically every week, using inferior natural talent (at least half of the time, higher if you believe big ten recruiting rankings). 4th and 5th year better developed talent is the key to better seasons around here. Our experienced 4th and 5th year players this year were less prominent. Nelson(good), Render(avg), Hesse(good), Gervase(avg)the rest one yr starters. We suffered in closer games, due to senior leadership/clutch senior playmakers. Its what Iowa football needs to be to compete year in and year out. Next year will be a team laden with experience and talent. SHOULD translate to wins.
 
revkev73 said:
Perhaps with Kirk Ball, keep it safe, keep it close, you plan for a "very good" season but understand that "very good" is about 8-4 with a bowl. You don't take many risks to go beyond "very good" because you might risk yourself to 6-6 or 5-7 and not ever KirkSpin can make that appear good anymore.

8-4 to 7-5 keeps the coffers filled, the fans coming (well enough of them) and you get bonuses for the staff, go to a "sunny bowl," send a few of the boys to the NFL, hire your family, and coach as along as you want.

There is some genius to this philosophy of course, but it mostly tastes like disappointment and wasted opportunities to a large portion of the fan base...as the cycle continues unabated.
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You Sir, just described Iowa Football for the past 20 seasons.
An absolutely excellent analysis...too bad THE WORST AD in the entire NCAA won't ever read it.
It's a damn shame too.
 
The Big LeHAWKski said:
You Sir, just described Iowa Football for the past 20 seasons.
An absolutely excellent analysis...too bad THE WORST AD in the entire NCAA won't ever read it.
It's a damn shame too.
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Perhaps the AD and HC are on the same page with this? $$$, longevity, fundraising, nice bowl trips?
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Ill agree on style points. I compute Iowa's style to Moneyball. KF plays to keep Iowa competitive. Without the 5* horses, any good coach at any level coaches to give his team the best shot at winning. We have a shot at winning basically every week, using inferior natural talent (at least half of the time, higher if you believe big ten recruiting rankings). 4th and 5th year better developed talent is the key to better seasons around here. Our experienced 4th and 5th year players this year were less prominent. Nelson(good), Render(avg), Hesse(good), Gervase(avg)the rest one yr starters. We suffered in closer games, due to senior leadership/clutch senior playmakers. Its what Iowa football needs to be to compete year in and year out. Next year will be a team laden with experience and talent. SHOULD translate to wins.
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Kirk knows how to stay in power, which is important to him. Teams tend to display the attributes of the head coach, no matter the star #. I don't think Iowa has much of a chance with the top teams (exceptions of course)...like Stanford, which competitive until the first 5 seconds. Kirk doesn't take many chances, he knows the AD is in his pocket, wants son to continue vanilla legacy, and has everything in place to make that happen. He is no dummy, just dull, tiring, uninspiring. Playmakers don't seem interested in that. So we play to keep it close and make 8-4, 7-5. It isn't that complicated.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Your reply is irrelevant lol Wins dont count because you say so. Look at Fry's non-conference patsies. I still enjoyed those wins as well. You should try it.
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15 of his 20 yrs had legit non con competition and he wasn’t allowed to duck Michigan and osu like this guy
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
All games count the last i checked. Name ALL of the big ten champs in the past 20 yrs. Two or three programs have won the great majority. We are 5th i believe in championships in the last 20 yrs..includes Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska...traditional college football powerhouses of past and present. Why are we supposed to win more than those programs. Not even mentioning Michigan State. All have recruiting advantages and historical programs except possibly Wisky and Sparty. You are correct. We havent won enough big ten games or championships to be considered better than any of these programs. Its more than coaching.
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To be fair, we should evaluate KF on his B1G record - and leave the non-conf schedule out of it.
We play in the B1G and our goal should be to win B1G games and championships.
KF overall record in the B1G is slightly better than .500.
The last two years he is 9-9.
That is fairly 'average' in my view.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
To be fair, we should evaluate KF on his B1G record - and leave the non-conf schedule out of it.
We play in the B1G and our goal should be to win B1G games and championships.
KF overall record in the B1G is slightly better than .500.
The last two years he is 9-9.
That is fairly 'average' in my view.
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No one remembers where you finish in the Big if you dont win it. We remember season wins and bowl appearances. It has always been that way and always will. 16-9 record. 2 bowls...one win and counting....64% win pct...higher than Fry right?
 
lightning1 said:
I don't do drugs. That's how I know we aren't winning 9 or 10 games next year. I'm stone sober. You on the other hand...
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Never even a whiff of pot here. Drink 7-8 days a year. High on life. :) Learned how to flush the bad and enjoy each day. You only get so many. Why not enjoy your team as it is...because YOU can not change it. KF runs a clean program, gets us to bowls, represents the state like a champ and far exceeds what Iowa as a state and football program should expect. We pick on Nebby for being entitled, but they should no longer expect success either. I'm not saying Mr Wonderful isnt out there, but it's not his time yet. Hope he's out there when it is time for a change.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
No one remembers where you finish in the Big if you dont win it. We remember season wins and bowl appearances. It has always been that way and always will. 16-9 record. 2 bowls...one win and counting....64% win pct...higher than Fry right?
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Where you finish in the conference, and your winning percentage (and yes cupcake wins) are very important in other areas, like gathering positive data for renewed contracts, bonuses, etc. Then it is presented in detail, to make a case for more years of contracts. Kirk is a top 5 coach in this area.
 
The Big LeHAWKski said:
You Sir, just described Iowa Football for the past 20 seasons.
An absolutely excellent analysis...too bad THE WORST AD in the entire NCAA won't ever read it.
It's a damn shame too.
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The great Hayden Fry had 6 seasons of 9 wins or more, never more than 10. This would be KF's 7th season, two 10-win seasons, two 11-win seasons and a 12 win season. Lets call it 40+ and tear down the Fry statue.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Never even a whiff of pot here. Drink 7-8 days a year. High on life. :) Learned how to flush the bad and enjoy each day. You only get so many. Why not enjoy your team as it is...because YOU can not change it. KF runs a clean program, gets us to bowls, represents the state like a champ and far exceeds what Iowa as a state and football program should expect. We pick on Nebby for being entitled, but they should no longer expect success either. I'm not saying Mr Wonderful isnt out there, but it's not his time yet. Hope he's out there when it is time for a change.
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I am an Iowa fan and "expect" to win the conference each year, if one doesn't hope and plan for such things, it seldom happens. Winning coaches think in such ways, those that are happy with average, are, well average.
 
revkev73 said:
Where you finish in the conference, and your winning percentage (and yes cupcake wins) are very important in other areas, like gathering positive data for renewed contracts, bonuses, etc. Then it is presented in detail, to make a case for more years of contracts. Kirk is a top 5 coach in this area.
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You have a lot of blame to throw around and for what? The Big doesnt have Michigan and Ohio State only these days. Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska (last one for historical and recruiting purposes) are in the conference these days. Last i checked we do ok competitively with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. KF doesnt schedule. Hey, i believe ISU is a ranked non-conference opponent. Have been good the last 2 years or so. The mid-majors we play are just as good or better than the Central Michigans, Tulsas, UNI's, Drakes, New Mexicos and Northern Illinois teams Fry had on his schedule. Get over the patsy argument. How did Fry do against the big competition? How many big Miami, Fla or Ohio State wins did he have? How about Jan 1 bowl wins? You can whine about AD's all you want. Have at it hoss.
 
Caddy said:
Not a single game breaker, playmaker on either side of the ball. Bad coaching, poor recruiting, an OC that has no business having the job, a bad qb that can't make an accurate throw over 10 yards, very average running backs that lack speed to break a long run and get through holes that close on them, no wide receivers, no linebackers, etc. All contribute to a very mediocre team in a piss poor division of a weak conference.
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I agree. We were short a Wadley, or DJK/McNutt type of playmaker of some sort. Defensively they kinda lacked that clutch gene. There were only a few plays where if they'd have gotten us off the field we'd have still won too. It's never usually just any one thing but a combination of several. Which is the case with us. You can also factor in play calling/coaching as well...
 
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