Missing Link to Next Level

HuckFinn said:
I cannot remember the source, unfortunately, but what I said is not bs, its not an excuse, not my opinion. You sound like a guy who bought a Chevy truck in 2014, had trouble with it, and decided never to buy another Chevy based on one experience. Take a stats course.
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I don't need a stats course to be able to tell the difference between shit and shinola.
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revkev73 said:
The reason talented receivers and other skill players decide against Iowa isn't the weather, it is the boredom of the system, the misuse of talent, among other issues. IMHO
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That doesn't quite explain Bama's success on the recruiting trail, though. For the most part, Bama is a pro-style offense.
 
revkev73 said:
But haven't a lot of Iowa's skill players decided to go out of state? Michigan? TCU? Then they would be further away from home?

I am not sure I agree with what is most important. I would guess most important for a talented HS player is to find a place that will launch them to their dream (not a college degree) of playing in the NFL. If you are a talented WR, is Iowa the place to go and show your talents to NFL scouts? That is absurd to even write out...
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George O'Leary, at a local service club luncheon, once said, "It's not the recruits I gotta sell. It's not the parents, at least anymore. It's the girlfriend. That, and they all wanna text". This was the year before they went to the Fiesta Bowl and finished 13-1. And this from a coach in Orlando, with (literally) tendrils radiating out to Miami, SW Florida, Tampa, East Coast, Jax, Panhandle and South Georgia.

Iowa State has actually gotten some Orlando area kids (Sam B Richardson, Jeremiah Schwartz, among others). There's a reason those kids weren't FSU/UF/UMiami/$EC-bound. Really good "role" guys in Florida HS football. But to think those kids "want" the Midwest environs is foolhardy. They simply don't for the most part. Michigan, O$U, sure. ND, yeah, many of them. But to a kid from Miami or Tampa, Iowa City is, at best, "quaint". And that word ain't really even IN their "lexicon".
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
George O'Leary, at a local service club luncheon, once said, "It's not the recruits I gotta sell. It's not the parents, at least anymore. It's the girlfriend. That, and they all wanna text". This was the year before they went to the Fiesta Bowl and finished 13-1. And this from a coach in Orlando, with (literally) tendrils radiating out to Miami, SW Florida, Tampa, East Coast, Jax, Panhandle and South Georgia.

Iowa State has actually gotten some Orlando area kids (Sam B Richardson, Jeremiah Schwartz, among others). There's a reason those kids weren't FSU/UF/UMiami/$EC-bound. Really good "role" guys in Florida HS football. But to think those kids "want" the Midwest environs is foolhardy. They simply don't for the most part. Michigan, O$U, sure. ND, yeah, many of them. But to a kid from Miami or Tampa, Iowa City is, at best, "quaint". And that word ain't really even IN their "lexicon".
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Florida kids should stay in Florida. win/win
 
lightning1 said:
I refuse to believe that we can't do better. I do believe that the University doesn't give a shit. I believe this administration/AD/HC thinks they are entitled to our support. They do nothing to earn it.
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Im sorry, but they aren't worried about you. This is a Hawkeye state. Everyone wants more, but only a very small vocal minority wants KF gone. Im not saying everyone loves him, but i think the respect for hard work and a certain level of success is appreciated by most Iowans. There isnt a bone in KF's body that cares about entitlement. He is going to coach the way he knows how. On some level its working for him. I want more, but HISTORY tells me not to ruin my love of Iowa sports over ifs and buts.
 
lightning1 said:
Disagree. Iowa State and Nebraska don't seem to have a hard time finding skill position talent. You're making excuses. Plain and simple.
Nebraska's 2 starting WRs are from New Orleans and Arizona.
Iowa State? Maryland, Ohio and Virginia.
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Do they beat Iowa? Next.
 
revkev73 said:
The reason talented receivers and other skill players decide against Iowa isn't the weather, it is the boredom of the system, the misuse of talent, among other issues. IMHO
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I'll 100% agree. Not with misuse of talent. Maybe not perfect use, but Iowa does so much more with less than any program in Div I
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
I'll 100% agree. Not with misuse of talent. Maybe not perfect use, but Iowa does so much more with less than any program in Div I
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Agree in some ways, but Kirk doesn't seem to use the higher end talent he has, wisely. He seems to not want "stars" on his team, rather, having everyone fit in to the "team" standard. While one could argue that such a philosophy is good for "team play" the unit "working as one" and "all for one and one for all" it just doesn't play well with the new world order we live in with high talent skill players (even in grade school) wanting to be "the show" and prep for the NFL, etc. In this social media age and with everyone thinking they are so amazing, well, perhaps Iowa is often on the outside looking in with the highly skilled talent pool. (is some of this a clash between white, Midwestern/Iowa mores vs the black culture on display in the NFL and other sports...look at me, I made a great catch even though we are down 42 points) In recruiting it ends up with "team players" and a group of individuals that can work as one, but this just doesn't cut it when playing teams with equal or better talent at the skill positions. So, as you say, Iowa gets a lot out of what it has (the players it ends up getting) but runs on 7 cylinders to 7-5, 8-4 most often. And add to this mix of misguided recruiting, misusing talent, the boredom of Iowa football, and low level in game coaching (how often does Kirk out coach someone?) and you have Iowa football under Kirk. Lots of "wins" but with that constant taste in the mouth of what could be, but seldom is. It isn't a terrible experience, but it tends to be a numbing voyage the more one is exposed to it, at least for those fans who don't like the taste of average that much. My two cents, lots of other views about how "good" Iowa is under Kirkball.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Im sorry, but they aren't worried about you. This is a Hawkeye state. Everyone wants more, but only a very small vocal minority wants KF gone. Im not saying everyone loves him, but i think the respect for hard work and a certain level of success is appreciated by most Iowans. There isnt a bone in KF's body that cares about entitlement. He is going to coach the way he knows how. On some level its working for him. I want more, but HISTORY tells me not to ruin my love of Iowa sports over ifs and buts.
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I don't want KF gone. I want him to find better assistant coaches at certain positions, to improve our program and ultimately make him more money. Get us more wins and BIG titles.
 
revkev73 said:
Agree in some ways, but Kirk doesn't seem to use the higher end talent he has, wisely. He seems to not want "stars" on his team, rather, having everyone fit in to the "team" standard. While one could argue that such a philosophy is good for "team play" the unit "working as one" and "all for one and one for all" it just doesn't play well with the new world order we live in with high talent skill players (even in grade school) wanting to be "the show" and prep for the NFL, etc. In this social media age and with everyone thinking they are so amazing, well, perhaps Iowa is often on the outside looking in with the highly skilled talent pool. (is some of this a clash between white, Midwestern/Iowa mores vs the black culture on display in the NFL and other sports...look at me, I made a great catch even though we are down 42 points) In recruiting it ends up with "team players" and a group of individuals that can work as one, but this just doesn't cut it when playing teams with equal or better talent at the skill positions. So, as you say, Iowa gets a lot out of what it has (the players it ends up getting) but runs on 7 cylinders to 7-5, 8-4 most often. And add to this mix of misguided recruiting, misusing talent, the boredom of Iowa football, and low level in game coaching (how often does Kirk out coach someone?) and you have Iowa football under Kirk. Lots of "wins" but with that constant taste in the mouth of what could be, but seldom is. It isn't a terrible experience, but it tends to be a numbing voyage the more one is exposed to it, at least for those fans who don't like the taste of average that much. My two cents, lots of other views about how "good" Iowa is under Kirkball.
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I just made a reference to this a couple days ago. When Kirkball is working you wonder how we ever lose. But sometimes to win you have to execute in the fourth quarter of a close game. Which is what made the Nebraska win even more satisfying. Kirk and Brian rolled the dice when failure would meant almost certain defeat, and it worked! Fourth and eight, you have to a play in your arsenal that you know will work when it has to and we did.

I've compared Kirk to a baseball pitcher who's always around the plate and ahead in the count, but doesnt have the wipeout slider to put the batter away. At first glance those pitchers should seldom lose. But if you have to keep throwing that ball over the plate, if you can't make the batter swing at your pitch, you get tagged now and then. Kirkball in a nutshell.
 
Northside Hawk said:
I just made a reference to this a couple days ago. When Kirkball is working you wonder how we ever lose. But sometimes to win you have to execute in the fourth quarter of a close game. Which is what made the Nebraska win even more satisfying. Kirk and Brian rolled the dice when failure would meant almost certain defeat, and it worked! Fourth and eight, you have to a play in your arsenal that you know will work when it has to and we did.

I've compared Kirk to a baseball pitcher who's always around the plate and ahead in the count, but doesnt have the wipeout slider to put the batter away. At first glance those pitchers should seldom lose. But if you have to keep throwing that ball over the plate, if you can't make the batter swing at your pitch, you get tagged now and then. Kirkball in a nutshell.
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Good analogy. I might also add, the best teams and athletes always seem to have a little fuel "in the tank" when the duel is on the line. It is a winning attribute on many levels. In baseball, Justin Verlander is a guy who has such a reputation. He throws well, top level, but can even get stronger and more formidable in the later innings where he can upgrade the velocity and save those "out" pitches for crucial moments. Kirk doesn't have much in the tank, nor do the players, at least not that often. Stanley really has been disappointing to me this year. QB is the crucial position and he just hasn't gotten it done. His tank is often empty when the team needs him to rise up and lead them to the finish line. Kirk's coaching and leadership are right there with Stanley in the "empty tank" category for me this year.
 
revkev73 said:
Agree in some ways, but Kirk doesn't seem to use the higher end talent he has, wisely. He seems to not want "stars" on his team, rather, having everyone fit in to the "team" standard. While one could argue that such a philosophy is good for "team play" the unit "working as one" and "all for one and one for all" it just doesn't play well with the new world order we live in with high talent skill players (even in grade school) wanting to be "the show" and prep for the NFL, etc. In this social media age and with everyone thinking they are so amazing, well, perhaps Iowa is often on the outside looking in with the highly skilled talent pool. (is some of this a clash between white, Midwestern/Iowa mores vs the black culture on display in the NFL and other sports...look at me, I made a great catch even though we are down 42 points) In recruiting it ends up with "team players" and a group of individuals that can work as one, but this just doesn't cut it when playing teams with equal or better talent at the skill positions. So, as you say, Iowa gets a lot out of what it has (the players it ends up getting) but runs on 7 cylinders to 7-5, 8-4 most often. And add to this mix of misguided recruiting, misusing talent, the boredom of Iowa football, and low level in game coaching (how often does Kirk out coach someone?) and you have Iowa football under Kirk. Lots of "wins" but with that constant taste in the mouth of what could be, but seldom is. It isn't a terrible experience, but it tends to be a numbing voyage the more one is exposed to it, at least for those fans who don't like the taste of average that much. My two cents, lots of other views about how "good" Iowa is under Kirkball.
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Meh.
"Prepping for the NFL"?? How many schools put as many in the NFL??
Then you have the whole, they are a 5 star, but maybe go against the grain of the rest of the team.
That seldom works out either. The reason why most positions are albe to shine is a direct correlation to the rest of the team performing and doing their jobs. That's the purpose of the swarm after all.
You know that "fit" is blown way out of proportion.
Anywhere you go, your coach is going to say, this is how we do it and this is what we expect. That's just how it works. I think when it comes to "fit" it means understanding that there is more to life than football and yourself. You have a team, you have a children's hospital, you have a community, a family, ECT ECT.
Sorry to disappoint but if you don't understand or "fit" into that, you are going to probably have a miserable life and kind of be a POS person anyway, regardless of how much skill you have. Because here's the thing, it doesn't matter, records are meant to be broken. That ride back down can be a son of a ***** if you have not been "taught" or "coached" well.
 
4thngoal said:
Meh.
"Prepping for the NFL"?? How many schools put as many in the NFL??
Then you have the whole, they are a 5 star, but maybe go against the grain of the rest of the team.
That seldom works out either. The reason why most positions are albe to shine is a direct correlation to the rest of the team performing and doing their jobs. That's the purpose of the swarm after all.
You know that "fit" is blown way out of proportion.
Anywhere you go, your coach is going to say, this is how we do it and this is what we expect. That's just how it works. I think when it comes to "fit" it means understanding that there is more to life than football and yourself. You have a team, you have a children's hospital, you have a community, a family, ECT ECT.
Sorry to disappoint but if you don't understand or "fit" into that, you are going to probably have a miserable life and kind of be a POS person anyway, regardless of how much skill you have. Because here's the thing, it doesn't matter, records are meant to be broken. That ride back down can be a son of a ***** if you have not been "taught" or "coached" well.
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Agree...so what do you think the "problem" is, and solutions to make Iowa rise above average?
 
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