Missing Link to Next Level

revkev73 said:
Good analogy. I might also add, the best teams and athletes always seem to have a little fuel "in the tank" when the duel is on the line. It is a winning attribute on many levels. In baseball, Justin Verlander is a guy who has such a reputation. He throws well, top level, but can even get stronger and more formidable in the later innings where he can upgrade the velocity and save those "out" pitches for crucial moments. Kirk doesn't have much in the tank, nor do the players, at least not that often. Stanley really has been disappointing to me this year. QB is the crucial position and he just hasn't gotten it done. His tank is often empty when the team needs him to rise up and lead them to the finish line. Kirk's coaching and leadership are right there with Stanley in the "empty tank" category for me this year.
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It's not Kirk's style to go for the kill. He doesn't want to risk the turnover. He would rather pin the other team deep and make them climb the proverbial slippery slope. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires.
 
lightning1 said:
I don't want KF gone. I want him to find better assistant coaches at certain positions, to improve our program and ultimately make him more money. Get us more wins and BIG titles.
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I dont think he does "no wrong" either. I cus more during an Iowa game than the good Lord prefers. Disagree with quite a lot. I think he is a good coach for our program. Id LOVE an offensive genius and some updates to the current era style of play here and there. I wasnt disappointed in BF. Not a bad year.
 
revkev73 said:
Agree in some ways, but Kirk doesn't seem to use the higher end talent he has, wisely. He seems to not want "stars" on his team, rather, having everyone fit in to the "team" standard. While one could argue that such a philosophy is good for "team play" the unit "working as one" and "all for one and one for all" it just doesn't play well with the new world order we live in with high talent skill players (even in grade school) wanting to be "the show" and prep for the NFL, etc. In this social media age and with everyone thinking they are so amazing, well, perhaps Iowa is often on the outside looking in with the highly skilled talent pool. (is some of this a clash between white, Midwestern/Iowa mores vs the black culture on display in the NFL and other sports...look at me, I made a great catch even though we are down 42 points) In recruiting it ends up with "team players" and a group of individuals that can work as one, but this just doesn't cut it when playing teams with equal or better talent at the skill positions. So, as you say, Iowa gets a lot out of what it has (the players it ends up getting) but runs on 7 cylinders to 7-5, 8-4 most often. And add to this mix of misguided recruiting, misusing talent, the boredom of Iowa football, and low level in game coaching (how often does Kirk out coach someone?) and you have Iowa football under Kirk. Lots of "wins" but with that constant taste in the mouth of what could be, but seldom is. It isn't a terrible experience, but it tends to be a numbing voyage the more one is exposed to it, at least for those fans who don't like the taste of average that much. My two cents, lots of other views about how "good" Iowa is under Kirkball.
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I agree with a lot of this. I think his style matches up with our talent and our expectations. I dont see much of that "high end" talent of which you speak. I think we rode weismann when he was our best. Wadley. Greene. Need higher end talent to ride :)
 
lightning1 said:
...that's not the point of this discussion. Now is it? I know you aren't equipped to keep up with every conversation but this one is easier to keep up with than most.
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To use Iowa State and Nebraska as examples for any discussion about football is grasping at straws...if ISU and Nebraska are your go-to's....god help ya man. I dont care if ISU pulls a kid out of Footballville, TX...it means he wasnt good enough to play in state. Iowa has had those kids. We can get 2 and 3 star kids from the south
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
To use Iowa State and Nebraska as examples for any discussion about football is grasping at straws...if ISU and Nebraska are your go-to's....god help ya man. I dont care if ISU pulls a kid out of Footballville, TX...it means he wasnt good enough to play in state. Iowa has had those kids. We can get 2 and 3 star kids from the south
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The topic was "skill position talent". To use IOWA as an example for any discussion regarding skill position talent is a no-go.
 
lightning1 said:
The topic was "skill position talent". To use IOWA as an example for any discussion regarding skill position talent is a no-go.
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Im not arguing Iowa can get 4* or 5* skill position players. We dont very often. Few other than the bluebloods do. Thats the point. ISU isnt getting the best of the best either.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
I agree with a lot of this. I think his style matches up with our talent and our expectations. I dont see much of that "high end" talent of which you speak. I think we rode weismann when he was our best. Wadley. Greene. Need higher end talent to ride :)
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Concur, tough to win without the horses.
 
revkev73 said:
Concur, tough to win without the horses.
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Im all for finding a dynamic recruiter. All for it. Pay a former player a boatload? Like the Jess Settles version of a former player? Bleeds Iowa and can relate. Angerer? Played pro ball. Intense. Get him on the road with Stanzi and Bob Sanders. Pay Marv Cook to leave HS ball.
 
lightning1 said:
They still manage to get WRs that are 10X better than we can.
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I'd like to argue with you, but i agree. At least we still get most of the best in-state talent. I fear the day ISU wins a few more of those battles AND gets some good out of state skill players. I like their style. Find some athletes like they do that can play WR...but i dont think any are 4* +. Or am i wrong? I dont follow their recruiting so much. Plus, they are that type of offense. They have to get receivers to be competitive in the Big 12
 
lightning1 said:
I know how much everyone loves to bring up ENO BENJAMIN.....so, here are his stats on the season.
1 Eno Benjamin
256 carries
1444 rushing yards
5.6 per carry
12 TDs
31 receptions
214 receiving yards
6.9 yards per reception
2 rec TDs
287 total touches
1658 total yards
5.8 yards per touch
14 total TDs.
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What was Iowa's running backs totals??? I will try to look it up.
 
lightning1 said:
I know how much everyone loves to bring up ENO BENJAMIN.....so, here are his stats on the season.
1 Eno Benjamin
256 carries
1444 rushing yards
5.6 per carry
12 TDs
31 receptions
214 receiving yards
6.9 yards per reception
2 rec TDs
287 total touches
1658 total yards
5.8 yards per touch
14 total TDs.
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Iowa's 3 rbs had 1800 yds and 17 TDs. Not bad. but on 380 carries so the avg is less, but we know why that is with the 8 men in the box, not killing teams deep,
 
lightning1 said:
I know how much everyone loves to bring up ENO BENJAMIN.....so, here are his stats on the season.
1 Eno Benjamin
256 carries
1444 rushing yards
5.6 per carry
12 TDs
31 receptions
214 receiving yards
6.9 yards per reception
2 rec TDs
287 total touches
1658 total yards
5.8 yards per touch
14 total TDs.
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Receiving 30 catches for 250, again not a bad comparison.

Eno is individually more talented, but with some better passing scheme and better Oline blocking the hawks run game should be around 200 yds per game or at least 2000 yds for the 12 game season
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Im all for finding a dynamic recruiter. All for it. Pay a former player a boatload? Like the Jess Settles version of a former player? Bleeds Iowa and can relate. Angerer? Played pro ball. Intense. Get him on the road with Stanzi and Bob Sanders. Pay Marv Cook to leave HS ball.
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Too dynamic for Kirk...but a good idea!
 
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