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When you look at the Lick recruiting results, you also have to look at ultimate contribution...guys he recruited that left included Jeff Peterson,Jermain Davis,and Aaron Fuller. Other guys that left included Tyler Smith,Tony Freeman,David Palmer,and Jake Kelly. Most fans lost faith in Lick's ability to recruit and retain good players. It was not just about the rating of the players brought in altho Brommer,Tucker,Davis,Archie were not offered by even a handful of D-1 schools which is not good, but also about developing and retaining the guys he did get.

So, Fran comes in with a clean slate,and a much wider recruiting net,it appears, so, I will trust him until he proves me wrong. He knows what is at stake here,and I think he will not bring in guys that can not compete in the league.
In cities like Philly,NY and Chicago, there are so many prospects it is much easier to see how a recruit could get overlooked by the big boys.

I have heard good things about Basabe...hope we get him.
 
I'm of the same opinion as Gohawks.

For 2010 there isn't much left for top tier options. Fran seems to be doing well in picking up solid guys, but they are of the same talent level Lickliter was pulling from.

Let's not kid ourselves into thinking these kids are going to be the answer. They don't have offers from any Big 10, Big 12 ACC, Big East schools (i.e. major conferences). They may be solid players with a potential sleeper in the mix, but realistically we won't get ahead if this is the type of talent we get in 2011.

For 2010, these kids are okay/solid pick-ups. For 2011, the recruiting bar needs to be higher than kids only getting mid-major offers.
 
tubahawk said:
I'm of the same opinion as Gohawks.

For 2010 there isn't much left for top tier options. Fran seems to be doing well in picking up solid guys, but they are of the same talent level Lickliter was pulling from.

Let's not kid ourselves into thinking these kids are going to be the answer. They don't have offers from any Big 10, Big 12 ACC, Big East schools (i.e. major conferences). They may be solid players with a potential sleeper in the mix, but realistically we won't get ahead if this is the type of talent we get in 2011.

For 2010, these kids are okay/solid pick-ups. For 2011, the recruiting bar needs to be higher than kids only getting mid-major offers.
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Well put...Fran has his work cut out for him in 2010...Basabe and a PG that could contribute down the road would be huge. For 2011 I'm hoping for a really nice class. For those of you who say it can't be done...just look at the recruiting class Scott Drew put together his second year at Baylor. Iowa is in much better shape than that program was when he got there.
 
i live in the philadelphia area and can tell you as i watch this kid alot devin coleman is for sure under the radar and is currently being recruited hard by georgia tech if a big school is the concern kids shoots 48% from 3 pt range can get to the rack off the dribble and shoots 80% from the ft line
 
Stormin - What is your love affair with Brust? The kid is a 3 point specialist and liability on the defense side of the ball - think Devan Bawinkel with a little more athleticism. Brust hasn't received nearly as many offers from the "high majors" that some would like to believe. BC and California are bigger names but they aren't big time programs currently. Wisky and Minny don't count as the kid can't accept them anyway. Butler hasn't contacted him since he was released per many accounts and NW is in the same boat as Minny and Wisky. DePaul may come in to play with their new coach but who cares about DePaul right now?

I have nothing against the kid personally but to think that he is going to start for Duke or any other high major is just ridiculous. He will probably end up at Iowa and log about 10 minutes per game as a shooter which is about right.

Ben Brust was called a mid-major recruit, Cody Larson was not.
 
FreddyBrown said:
Some of you people wouldn't know a player if your lives depended on it. You might as well get used to the idea that Caff is going to offer some kids from out East who have offers from some schools you've never really watched play basketball, but who regularly have players who could start for Iowa even in a good year.
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+1

To that end, everyone blew off Brust at first because of his list of offers in his JR year (in which he was hurt). Then he blew up in the summer and suddenly was a great get!
 
wicked said:
i live in the philadelphia area and can tell you as i watch this kid alot devin coleman is for sure under the radar and is currently being recruited hard by georgia tech if a big school is the concern kids shoots 48% from 3 pt range can get to the rack off the dribble and shoots 80% from the ft line
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Thanks for the input.
Don't be a stranger.
Hopefully,we will need more updates on Philly talent in the future.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Stormin - What is your love affair with Brust? The kid is a 3 point specialist and liability on the defense side of the ball - think Devan Bawinkel with a little more athleticism. Brust hasn't received nearly as many offers from the "high majors" that some would like to believe. BC and California are bigger names but they aren't big time programs currently. Wisky and Minny don't count as the kid can't accept them anyway. Butler hasn't contacted him since he was released per many accounts and NW is in the same boat as Minny and Wisky. DePaul may come in to play with their new coach but who cares about DePaul right now?

I have nothing against the kid personally but to think that he is going to start for Duke or any other high major is just ridiculous. He will probably end up at Iowa and log about 10 minutes per game as a shooter which is about right.

Ben Brust was called a mid-major recruit, Cody Larson was not.
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The WHOLE class was ripped on by some fans saying there wasn't any talent INCLUDING Larson. Then they decommit and the offers roll in. Brust can go to MN or WI depending on if those schools' appeal go through. There's no "love affair", I am simply pointing out that there are Hawkeye fans who will continue to discount anyone who commits to Iowa as mid-majors if they aren't being recruited by UNC or Kansas. I think that is just plain silly. You can succeed in the Big Ten with 3 and 4 star guys. Yes, you can.
 
We can't wait for majors to offer a recruit before we get in on them. By then, it's too late. I like what I'm seeing so far from Coach Caff.
 
Some of you have unrealistic expectations. Iowa just came off a 10 win season, bottom of the B10, fired our coach, 2 of our top recruits decommitt, one of the best players transfers, and you think the new coach should be lining up these blue chip recruits like they are lining up to come here!!!!

Coach Caff has no choice but to dig in and get the best of the diamonds-in-the-rough. You build a program by getting players that fit his system and just hope they pan out. If your expecting him to start competeting with players tOSU is getting then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Give the coach a chance to turn the program around and then start expecting him to land the top talent.
 
The thing is this, like everything on message boards, it's black and white.
Either a recruit is a blue chipper or he should be playing for Kirkwood.

I've been guilty of the former with Anthony Tucker. From what I saw, I was extremely excited to get him to Iowa.

I think the class that Lickliter had coming in was a very, very solid. Top 30 class. If Fran can get either Brust or Larson back and then add Basabe, it will be back to that level. Iowa would still need to grab a JUCO PG, though.
 
storminspank said:
The thing is this, like everything on message boards, it's black and white.
Either a recruit is a blue chipper or he should be playing for Kirkwood.

I've been guilty of the former with Anthony Tucker. From what I saw, I was extremely excited to get him to Iowa.
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Guilty of what? I remember you excited about him committing to Iowa because of his talent but you also questioned his attitude.

Let me remind you of this:

So here's the quick breakdown -

PROS:
Loves to score and can find ways to score.
Has an absolutely gorgeous shot, textbook quality and beautiful to watch.
Pedigree bloodline.
Has a pretty decent BB IQ - knows the game very well.

CONS:
Attitude problem, but seems to be turning the page on that.
Does not like to play defense.
Score first mentality, not a fan of dishing the ball.
Needs to mature.
Streaky, as with all shooters; If his shot is not falling, he can be a headcase and disappear.
Has his "spots" on the floor - if you can beat him to his spots you can shut him down.

That post was from YOU dated 6/7/2007 9:09 AM CDT about Tucker.

I think you nailed it.
 
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ssckelley said:
Guilty of what? I remember you excited about him committing to Iowa because of his talent but you also questioned his attitude.

Let me remind you of this:

So here's the quick breakdown -

PROS:
Loves to score and can find ways to score.
Has an absolutely gorgeous shot, textbook quality and beautiful to watch.
Pedigree bloodline.
Has a pretty decent BB IQ - knows the game very well.

CONS:
Attitude problem, but seems to be turning the page on that.
Does not like to play defense.
Score first mentality, not a fan of dishing the ball.
Needs to mature.
Streaky, as with all shooters; If his shot is not falling, he can be a headcase and disappear.
Has his "spots" on the floor - if you can beat him to his spots you can shut him down.

That post was from YOU dated 6/7/2007 9:09 AM CDT about Tucker.

I think you nailed it.
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Well, alright then. I guess I'm innocent. :)
Thanks for digging that up!

I still get a lot of flack for my excitement on Tucker, so it's good to be reminded that I was cautious on him.

Thanks again.
 
I saw very few fans ripping on the whole 2010 class. Larson was a RSCI #94, and no Iowa fan with a brain was ripping on a concensus top 100 commit.

The disgruntlement with Lick was not this class, it was prior classes that did not pan out...either not talented enough or leaving the team...that spilled over to fan's perception of Licks recruiting abilities...and may have left fans more skeptical,but most clued in fans knew this class was solid...but too late for lick,because he kept losing players. If Smith,Freeman,Kelly,Peterson,Davis,Palmer,Tucker and Fuller were not out of town, fans would have had more faith.
 
JHHawk said:
I saw very few fans ripping on the whole 2010 class. Larson was a RSCI #94, and no Iowa fan with a brain was ripping on a concensus top 100 commit.

The disgruntlement with Lick was not this class, it was prior classes that did not pan out...either not talented enough or leaving the team...that spilled over to fan's perception of Licks recruiting abilities...and may have left fans more skeptical,but most clued in fans knew this class was solid...but too late for lick,because he kept losing players. If Smith,Freeman,Kelly,Peterson,Davis,Palmer,Tucker and Fuller were not out of town, fans would have had more faith.
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But there was ripping on the 2010 class. Any time I would state they were a Top 30 class, I'd get ripped on. This is a fact.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Stormin - What is your love affair with Brust? The kid is a 3 point specialist and liability on the defense side of the ball - think Devan Bawinkel with a little more athleticism. Brust hasn't received nearly as many offers from the "high majors" that some would like to believe. BC and California are bigger names but they aren't big time programs currently. Wisky and Minny don't count as the kid can't accept them anyway. Butler hasn't contacted him since he was released per many accounts and NW is in the same boat as Minny and Wisky. DePaul may come in to play with their new coach but who cares about DePaul right now?

I have nothing against the kid personally but to think that he is going to start for Duke or any other high major is just ridiculous. He will probably end up at Iowa and log about 10 minutes per game as a shooter which is about right.

Ben Brust was called a mid-major recruit, Cody Larson was not.
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Wisky and Minny don't count because he can't accept those offers? Are you being intentionally stupid? Those schools obviously felt he's worth the schollie. Just because he can't take them up on the offer doesn't change the fact that they felt he was worth one.
 
storminspank said:
But there was ripping on the 2010 class. Any time I would state they were a Top 30 class, I'd get ripped on. This is a fact.
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Most of that criticism was the ranking itself...Van Coleman seemed to be the only service that had this class in the top 30,and even he had acknowledged that his ranking would change when a number of uncommitted top 150 players finally made a choice.

Most fans felt that this was not going to end up being a top 30 class by most services...maybe top 35...simply because they saw Larson as the only true top 100 type player(Rivals #119) and more of a quantity rating rather than a quality rating. We are not that far removed from having multiple top 100 players in a class like Bru(#51)Horner(#55) or Pierce/Sommerville (both top 50), Reiner and Worley(both top 40) to be over the top with a class of one top 100 (Larson). Most fans felt is was a solid class, just not spectacular.
 
storminspank said:
If Fran can get either Brust or Larson back and then add Basabe, it will be back to that level. Iowa would still need to grab a JUCO PG, though.
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Neither Brust or Larson seem like they want to come back. Brust seems like he wants in the Big Ten, but not at Iowa.
 
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