Gohawks123
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Brust is obviously an exception. Lick did a great job of getting him early when Iowa was his best offer. I hope we can re-sign him.
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Brust is obviously an exception. Lick did a great job of getting him early when Iowa was his best offer. I hope we can re-sign him.
iowatank55
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Just because he didn't have alot of top notch offers doesn't mean anything. His list of schools that have interest in him is enough to give it away that the kid has some talent. Isn't Georgetown pretty good? The kid looks athletic and I'm trusting Fran's judgment to offer the kid. We need long atheltes who can run up and down the floor.
tm3308
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McCabe also had offers from UNI and Butler. Butler is a prime example of stars not always being the "be all-end all" of an argument. Gordon Hayward, Shelvin Mack, were both rated as a 40, which basically means that they weren't deemed worthy of ESPN's time to really evaluate them. Yet they are both NBA-caliber players.
Gohawks123
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Once again...I've conceded there are exceptions to the rule and guys the recruiting services miss...but they get it right a heck of a lot more than they get it wrong. If you want to hold out hope that Iowa can recruit under the radar guys and be that 1 in 100 school to make it work go ahead. I would rather just bring in the best talent. Look at the top 6 of the Big 10 last year...compare that to what kind of players they brought in. Purdue, Ohio St, MSU, Wisconsin, Ill, and Minne have brought in the best talent in the conference over the past 4 years (according to the recruiting services), and they magically took 1-6 in the Big 10 last year. What a coincidence.
tm3308
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But we aren't going to just magically start pulling it in, either. We've got to get those solid guys and get back on our feet. The top level talent won't come here right now, and to expect it would be foolish. I'm not content to hold out on these kinds of players, but I also realize that they are what we have to work with, and there's not a lot that anybody can do about that right now.
HawkForce
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I don't really care what they're rated...UNTIL Fran would prove this to not be true like Lick, I trust his talent judgement....much like Kirk. We only need one four star guy, but the rest have to actually have the athletic ability/upside to compete in the Big Ten. And that's why I'm liking what is going on.
But that isn't really how it works in major conference basketball. It will work that way at the mid-major level, but not in a major conference. Solid guys without top flight talent get beat. Then what happens? Your solid guys leave. Successful coaches rebuild quickly with top flight athletes, not sixth men or role players. Teams full of sixth men and role players get beat. Teams that get beat don't retain their players and don't get top recruits. With the Iowa class of 2012 on the horizon, you don't want to see these kids end up going out of state. Accordingly, you better not wait until then.
I keep going back to the thought that he needs to sign Basabe and another kid who kind of comes out of the blue, but ends up making a name for himself in year one in the Big Ten. Then he needs to hit a couple of home runs in 2011, maybe Randle and some East Coast baller we don't know that just freaking attacks the rim.
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hawkfarmer
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you said we need 2 top 150 every year! and that Basabe wasn't going to get it done, now your saying settle for 2010, we can't expect to get top 150s. make up your mind
Guys, just trust your coach until he proves that he can't be trusted (not a prediction).
rockbreaker
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Thank you, a voice of reason.
I love how some people get so upset if we offer someone that doesn't already have an offer from a "big" school, but once they get that offer, they come back and tell us we have no chance and might as well move on.
By the way, the fact that this kid has an offer before the summer leads me to believe that Fran is very confident he can play at this level. Especially considering we will probably only have 2 scholarships to give.
blkngoldUofI
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He has a ton of serious interest but the offers aren't there from a lot of the bigger schools. People really need to ease up on the "mid major" thing because the players at many mid majors are just as good as any other player in college basketball.
BostonHeel
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Got a chance to see this kid play this past winter in New York. He plays for an outstanding high school team. 4 D1 players outside of Philly, they were one of the top teams in the country.
He is definitely a wing. Left handed. Solid handle and shot. Plays very hard and defends well. He has a bunch of high major interest just no offers yet. Most of the top mid majors have offered him. Knows how to play with other good players and would fit great in Coach McCaffrey' system.
He is definitely a wing. Left handed. Solid handle and shot. Plays very hard and defends well. He has a bunch of high major interest just no offers yet. Most of the top mid majors have offered him. Knows how to play with other good players and would fit great in Coach McCaffrey' system.
hawkfarmer
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Hey, I'm excited about Basabe and what Fran is doing. I think he knows what he's doing
johnashawk
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Amazed how we have posters who judge a player by the number of offers from high majors he gets. Philly is probably the second most loaded area in the country for talent. The competition at practice is probably as good as the competition he'll see in the big 10. Maybe there's a reason people on the east coast call us hayseeds.
homes
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Every crowd needs a nattering nabob of negativism. Because of your appointed role, you are forgiven. In fact, because of your appointed role, it is to be expected.
Gohawks123
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You can't expect Fran to bring in top guys with 2 weeks to recruit. Its not realistic. You can poo poo the 2 top 150 guys every year all you want...but the top teams in the conference are bringing that kind of talent every year.
storminspank
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Ben Brust and Cody Larson were both called "mid-major" recruits by a lot of Hawkeye fans, as well. Boy, those "mid-major" guys sure picked up a lot of non "mid-major" offers when they got out of the LIOs, huh?
Gohawks123
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Larson had offers from other high major schools. Brust had an offer from Northwestern. I will give you Brust as an exception...but for every Ben Brust there are 20 other guys who didn't turn out to be high major talent. Sometimes coaches can find guys that flew under the radar for the recruiting process. However, as I've explained that is not the norm. By this point in the recruiting process the top talent has been offered by the major schools. If a player has exclusively mid-major offers this late in the process he is probably just that...a mid-major player.
As you keenly pointed out there are exceptions like Brust that come along...but these players are not the norm. I hope if Devin commits to Iowa and blows up...only thing that would make me happier is if we were getting guys from the east coast that have high major offers already and have a much better chance of making an immediate impact for the hawks.
