HawkfaninWA
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Hey, you've got to admit Woody has gotten a lot bigger this year.
Jarrod Uthoff
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Knight78
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From where I was sitting, granted it was in the 28th row, I saw both White and Utoff get beat baseline a LOT in the game Saturday. But then, I don't really watch the ball much when I attend a game. I watch the play inside. And about 80% of the time Saturday Utoff looked lost. He, like a lot of the Hawks, is better in the open court. In the half court game, we simply have a lot of players who are a liability.
Knight78
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Agreed. He really needs to hit the weight room before next year. He's sloppy and weak with the ball. It was stated earlier that he's a nightmare matchup; I don't think so. He's not quick enough to go around a 2 or a 3 and he's not strong enough to work against a 4. He's more of a dream matchup for the opponent (as was proven by his weak defense and falling down a lot with the ball on offense on Saturday).
Knight78
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Fran was trying to match up with Illinois, who plays a three guard offense. They played 8 guys, 5 guards, one forward and 2 centers; they even spent time with 4 guards and a center. When you get beat time and again in both zone and man, you try to match up with the opponent. They played guard heavy and our forwards couldn't take advantage on offense, so we went guard heavy.
RocknRollface
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Fran played this about as bad as possible. There is a huge and very obvious difference in talent between the two, yes Uthoff is weak and McCabe is scrappy but the potential upside of Uthoff far outweighs the negatives IMO.
A deliberate decision should have been made for the benefit of the team from the get go that Uthoff was going to be a significant minute guy and McCabe a 5-10 minute guy at most. Jarrod needed to be out there to work through his mistakes rather than play afraid to screw up.
This season should not have turned out this way.
"..From where I was sitting, granted it was in the 28th row, I saw both White and Utoff get beat baseline a LOT in the game Saturday. But then, I don't really watch the ball much when I attend a game. I watch the play inside. And about 80% of the time Saturday Utoff looked lost. He, like a lot of the Hawks, is better in the open court. In the half court game, we simply have a lot of players who are a liability..."
Watch the game again, uthoff's man NEVER once beat him on baseline. Jok yes, uthoff no. he played excellent defense, his 1st time on press caused TO, did you see that?. Jok was the one that had to foul as guys went around him 2x and got toasted backdoors...
Watch the game again, uthoff's man NEVER once beat him on baseline. Jok yes, uthoff no. he played excellent defense, his 1st time on press caused TO, did you see that?. Jok was the one that had to foul as guys went around him 2x and got toasted backdoors...
HawkeyeMike23
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Here's another Uthoff stat, he's been on the court for six second half segments in the three games prior to the Illinois game had a negative plus minus rating every single segment. He was also was on the floor for the end of game collapse against Wisconsin, so his last seven second half stints all ended in negative plus/minus ratings.
HawkeyeMike23
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I already watched it, I saw him do almost nothing on the offensive end for 8 mins. His best sequence on that end of the floor was missing a layup then flipping the ball to Woodbury after falling to the ground once again. Also saw him take a quick three, when he has hit just 2/13 from 3 for the last month and a half, which led to two Rayvonte Rice free throw attempts
KCTom - please let me know what is a valid sample size to make observations from since 4 and a half mins isn't enough for you, but you can apparently draw all kinds of conclusions from an 8 min sample size. TIA.
A missed shot and an assist, while Iowa grows lead from down -3 to ahead to ahead.
Plus, 'missing a layup'. You can't even see with unbiased eyes! He drove hard, into traffic, was contacted by 2 guys, his defender (which we went by) a 2nd topside help guy that bumped him, (both couldve been called fouls) only to be confronted, at the rim, by their defensive center (3rd guy) then, in scramble for ball a 4th defender contacts him, then he wrestles it from the center for smart pass for bucket.
Only a completely biased viewer calls that 'missing a layup'.
Defensively, creates TO, rebounds, and plays excellent D on his man, doesn't get beat, or foul or TO.
So your saying he must score, to be good for you?
Plus, 'missing a layup'. You can't even see with unbiased eyes! He drove hard, into traffic, was contacted by 2 guys, his defender (which we went by) a 2nd topside help guy that bumped him, (both couldve been called fouls) only to be confronted, at the rim, by their defensive center (3rd guy) then, in scramble for ball a 4th defender contacts him, then he wrestles it from the center for smart pass for bucket.
Only a completely biased viewer calls that 'missing a layup'.
Defensively, creates TO, rebounds, and plays excellent D on his man, doesn't get beat, or foul or TO.
So your saying he must score, to be good for you?
HawkeyeMike23
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Try again bro, you were the one who first brought up that playing Jok and JO together contributed to us getting outrebounded, I proved you were wrong on that and you got defensive and brought up your sample size. So once again please stop avoiding the question and tell me what is a valid sample size to draw conclusions from. TIA!!
HawkeyeMike23
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Where on the list of best missed layups in Hawkeye history would this rank? Top 5? Top 10?
acharipar35
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I was really impressed with Pete on Saturday. His feet are improving on defense, but he still has mental breakdowns (turnover on offense). Also, he's starting to understand when and when not to shoot. He needs to be put on the floor during scoring droughts.
HawkPrdatr40
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You have to many facts kctom and he is having a tough time debating the issue.
HawkPrdatr40
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Fact is Uthoff has his share of moments that all players have, nobody is perfect but his positives far out weigh the negatives and especially when you look at the other options on the bench.
ibahawkeye
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Just curious... what do you think about Jok? I'm in favor of playing him more minutes. Jok obviously has his downfalls but I think his potential outweight the downfall and this team is in desperate need to have a 3 that can matchup with other 3s in the league.
Uthoff isn't terrible... but he's not good and he's not the long term solution. He's similar to White in that he's a tweener. He has slightly better handles than White and slightly better outside shot but not much.
It's been 14 games since Uthoff has scored in double digits and 8 games since he's hit a 3 pointer. In big 10 conference he's shooting 22% from 3 and hasn't hit more than 1 in a big 10 game.
I want Uthoff to play next year as a back up to White at the 4 spot. But I do not want him playing the 3. We need more shooters so we can spread the floor better and open up driving lanes and with White or Uthof at the 3 it kills our ability to do so.
atxhawk
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Been thinking about Uthoff and his production for the last week or so, but have been staying away from the hoops board. He's really been struggling the last few games, as has the whole team but his struggles seem to be much worse. He only scored in double figures twice during the B1G season, he had 11 in the opener against Nebby and then 10 in the win over OSU. He hasn't hit a three since the win against Michigan and only has 2 since Feb. His rebounding is down since conference started, 3 double figure games in non-con, zero in conference with a high of 7. I wanna know if Bo Ryan put a bounty on him with the B1G officials since he seems to get mugged inside worse than any other player on the team with zero calls. He was 0-6 in the last game against Sparty with 3 of those being shots that were "blocked" while he appeared to get mugged.
My guesses. Since he missed 2 entire seasons due to redshirting and transferring, he's gotten worn down and has hit the wall. All you have to do is look at all the marks on McCabe and Woody when the camera is focused on them and you can see how physical the game is. I also believe that him being physically beaten up has also led to him being mentally beat up at the moment. The guy is 6-8 and only weighs 208 pounds, that's going to get you beat up in the B1G if you play like he does. He needs to get in the weight room and put on about 10 pounds of muscle in the off-season if he hopes to survive next year. Even 5 pounds of added muscle and strength, especially strength, would be a huge help to his game.
Hopefully having 4 days off will help him, and the whole team, recover so that they can replicate the 2001 team's 4 game run.
My guesses. Since he missed 2 entire seasons due to redshirting and transferring, he's gotten worn down and has hit the wall. All you have to do is look at all the marks on McCabe and Woody when the camera is focused on them and you can see how physical the game is. I also believe that him being physically beaten up has also led to him being mentally beat up at the moment. The guy is 6-8 and only weighs 208 pounds, that's going to get you beat up in the B1G if you play like he does. He needs to get in the weight room and put on about 10 pounds of muscle in the off-season if he hopes to survive next year. Even 5 pounds of added muscle and strength, especially strength, would be a huge help to his game.
Hopefully having 4 days off will help him, and the whole team, recover so that they can replicate the 2001 team's 4 game run.
