Jarrod Uthoff

HawkPrdatr40 said:
You have to many facts kctom and he is having a tough time debating the issue.
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LOL every time I present stats you both conveniently ignore them, seems like you two are the ones having problems facing the facts. KCtom still can't give me an answer on how big of a sample size you need to draw conclusions from, obviously four and a half mins is too few but eight mins appears to be more than enough to base your argument on, so I just want to know exactly where the cutoff is, is it 6:45, 7:10? Just will be helpful for future discussions.
 
Uthoff hit the wall this year.
Look forward to seeing him next season with a new group of guys and 10-15 lbs of muscle bigger.
 
I think if you expect him to add 15 lbs of muscle in a year you will be disappointed. His frame doesn't seem like one to carry a whole lot of muscle and he weighed 190 lbs in high school. So he's added 18 lbs in 2 years including a year off from playing competitively and I'm sure it's no secret to him that it's needed and been a point of emphasis since he got on a college campus.
 
ibahawkeye said:
Just curious... what do you think about Jok? I'm in favor of playing him more minutes. Jok obviously has his downfalls but I think his potential outweight the downfall and this team is in desperate need to have a 3 that can matchup with other 3s in the league.
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It was a very pleasant surprise to see Jok have a good game. Does this propel him into a bigger role, time will tell, but if Jok continues to play like he he did against Illinois he should get on the court. Jok is a step behind defensively but that will improve in time. Iowa needs another player with his dynamic. He has the potential to be a very good player and he will be fun to watch these next 3 years.
 
He needs to get stronger, but the kid does drive it strong to the hoop and gets killed with no call. He got absolutely mugged at Michigan State twice and once against Illinois.
 
Ok, ok, I will answer you question on sample size (even though you refused my question on ignoring defense)

I say you need 6-8 games of consistent minutes to get a fair sample size of what a players individual stats are representative.

Using 4, and a half mins, and saying that 5 Reb vs 3 Reb proves your point is humorously weak, when the exercise of changing only 1 event, 1 rebound difference, or 4/4, renders the argument in error. You must admit, that is a really weak correlation attempt.
 
"...Just curious... what do you think about Jok?..."

Now this is a fair question.

He showed some excellent court vision in seeing guys underneath and on perimeter. But the question is, Why has he been on the bench all year? He's been healthy for the last several weeks, correct?

In his last 2 mins of 1st half play, he gave up a backdoor for a layup, fouled a guy and sent him to the line for FTs, had the ball taken right out of. His hands at mid-court, then fouled the guy. Tat is 4 mistakes in about 2 minutes.

To me, he must play defense better than that, and must handle the ball better than that, or he will hurt you more than his passing or occasional 3 pt shot.
 
Uthoff is one of those fragile guys FM was talking about. He seems weak physical land also mentally.

bo Ryan always seems to have tough minded guys even if they aren't particularly talented. Maybe he didn't fit in with that?
 
Blaming the loss on Jarrod Uthoff for being fragile?!

He came into IL with iowa down 3, immediately forced TO, left the game with IOWA AHEAD.

Then did not play a minute of the 2nd half when Iowa choked the game away, and uthoff is the fragile one?

C'mon, please rethink that statement as it makes no sense....
 
kctom said:
Ok, ok, I will answer you question on sample size (even though you refused my question on ignoring defense)

I say you need 6-8 games of consistent minutes to get a fair sample size of what a players individual stats are representative.

Using 4, and a half mins, and saying that 5 Reb vs 3 Reb proves your point is humorously weak, when the exercise of changing only 1 event, 1 rebound difference, or 4/4, renders the argument in error. You must admit, that is a really weak correlation attempt.
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You do realize you brought up that Fran playing JO and Jok together contributed to us getting outrebounded on the night, right? You made that statement ,whether you want to admit it or not, I was simply pointing out that the stats show otherwise.
 
I said playing marble at the #3 creates a rebounding weakness. Marble played extended minutes in the 3 spot with a combination of Gesell, AC, Jok and Oglesby all playing extended mins at the 1-2. Marble had 2, the other 4 combines for 4 rebounds in 66 mins for a total of 6 boards in 92 mins.

This small lineup, with macabre in the power forward role, was on the floor when Iowa fell behind 20-6. A small lineup with a small forward w a power forward mentality playing the #4. It was exploited, right?

I'm saying that your 5 vs 3 rebounds in a selected 4 min stretch is statistically a farce, you admit that right?!
 
kctom said:
I said playing marble at the #3 creates a rebounding weakness. Marble played extended minutes in the 3 spot with a combination of Gesell, AC, Jok and Oglesby all playing extended mins at the 1-2. Marble had 2, the other 4 combines for 4 rebounds in 66 mins for a total of 6 boards in 92 mins.

This small lineup, with macabre in the power forward role, was on the floor when Iowa fell behind 20-6. A small lineup with a small forward w a power forward mentality playing the #4. It was exploited, right?

I'm saying that your 5 vs 3 rebounds in a selected 4 min stretch is statistically a farce, you admit that right?!
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kctom said:
"... Jok and Oglseby were on the floor together for several minutes..."

If this is true, it is even more disturbing as neither of these 2 profile out as a #3 player and is certainly a contributing factor in Iowa losing the rebounding battle and in tying in the FT comparator.

But this is a classic example of Fran's substitution strategy, playing both in game at same time.

And it makes even less sense to have Jok and Josh in there, together....
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Nope, you said nothing about Marble. You said playing Jok and JO together was "certainly a contributing factor in Iowa losing the rebounding battle" (this site has a handy feature where you can quote another person's post) and you were wrong.

And I don't know if a four and a half minute stretch is statistically a farce, you're drawing all kinds of conclusions from Uthoff's eight minutes, so I don't know where the cutoff is.
 
kctom said:
"...Just curious... what do you think about Jok?..."

Now this is a fair question.

He showed some excellent court vision in seeing guys underneath and on perimeter. But the question is, Why has he been on the bench all year? He's been healthy for the last several weeks, correct?

In his last 2 mins of 1st half play, he gave up a backdoor for a layup, fouled a guy and sent him to the line for FTs, had the ball taken right out of. His hands at mid-court, then fouled the guy. Tat is 4 mistakes in about 2 minutes.

To me, he must play defense better than that, and must handle the ball better than that, or he will hurt you more than his passing or occasional 3 pt shot.
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Well to be fair Uthoff doesn't play much better D than Jok even if he forced one turnover. There have been many games he has given up the baseline and looked lost in the zone.

My theory on Jok is that he's a freshman and he must be playing well enough in practice and consistently enough over a period of time and Fran is noticing that Uthoff really hasn't been able to contribute scoring wise as of late that Fran thought it was time to give him significant minutes when it counted and I agree with 40... His contribution was a nice suprise.

I think Jok can have a much bigger impact on other players on the floor because he is a threat from the outside and can create more driving opportuntites for guys like Mike and Dev.

With that said I think Uthoff can be a role player next year as a backup 4.

He has the same issues as White... He's a tweeter between a 3 and a 4. I think these guys both fair better when they can use their quickness matched up at the 4 spot.
 
Mike is pretty spot on in this thread as he usually is.

At this point, Uthoff needs to be playing about the 8th most MPG on the team.

RDM, White, Gesell, Woody, Basabe, Gabe and Oglesby should be getting more minutes than him.

I hope Fran plays 9 guys in the tourneys unless fouls start to mount up. Jok was impressive Saturday night, IMO, and can provide a spark off the bench.
 
This is from black hearts gold pants....

** A separate article could be written about the four or five defensive lapses Jok made in this game, but they were usually pretty obvious and don't need discussion here. Suffice it to say he's a major defensive liability at this point..."

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/...uts-how-iowas-defense-failed-against-illinois

So Jok is looked at as a 'Major defensive Liability'.... Cn we agree on that?

I also believe that uthoff playing 7-8th most minutes in a strict rotation with those 8 players is the thing to do. I've never disagreed with that concept, mike seems too disagree with that. Playing Jok, as is referenced in this post, because of his obvious defensive problems, as I laid out, and as black hearts clearly corroborate, is something that i argue against.
 
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