Iowa/ISU Matchups

So you are saying there is a chance....

Throw out the records, stats and match-ups. I am feeling good about this team but I give us less than a 5% chance of winning. Too many things have to go in our favor that do not seem likely at Ames. They are very good and will play with extra energy against us. Think about the disaster it would be should they lose to us on their home floor given the mountain of crap their fans give us all the time. They cannot let that happen.

I just want to see how we play and respond as this will be a great prep for 6 or 7 of the B1G road venues we will play in starting at Wisky in game 2 of the conference season.
 
imported_blkngldFRO said:
If it comes down to ISU having the home court then Hawk fans need to do the following:

1) buy some really ugly shirts you can pick up a lot of ISU gear at goodwill. Do not wear a McDonalds shirt ISU fans don’t like this.
2) Ware them and approach ISU fans selling tickets to the game
3) Take off the shirt burn it and take a quick shower somewhere you don’t want that stank on you for very long

With this we could get enough hawk fans in the arena. My fear is that most hawk fans will have an allergic reaction to wearing yellow and red get sick and not make the game.

So what the team will need to do is get ISU into early foul trouble. Even if not the Hawks are deeper and has just as much talent on the team as a whole. It will be very tuff to win there, but it is an early must win to keep the attention of the nation. If they lose then the go into the shadows, but still have plenty of opportunity to win and the B1G and make the dance.

Go Hawks it would be a GREAT WIN! I personally think this team still needs to prove they can win these types of games. Especially after not winning the battle for Atlantis. If they can’t then I have some concerns with going into the B1G. JMO
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Good game. Good effort.
 
BryceC said:
Looking forward to the game on Friday. I’ve said it on this board a few times but I wanted to have a matchup discussion and talk about some stuff I haven’t seen being discussed that I think are advantages/disadvantages for both teams, keys to victory, etc. I’m an ISU fan and I have a feeling that ISU is going to lose this one, which would honestly bum me out much more than it should considering I’m a 32 year old with a family and 10000x more important things going on, but hey, it’s why we love sports.

Iowa advantages: Height. This one is a no brainer, but I think an underrated matchup is Kane/Marble. When opposing teams have put smaller guards on Kane he has absolutely abused them by posting them up or using his strength against them to get to the free throw line. He’s shooting it much better than he has historically (50% from the floor/70% from the line) but it’s largely due to the clearouts/post-up game he’s been able to take advantage of, which I don’t think will exist against a taller and battle-tested Marble.

The inside height has been hashed out for a long time. It exists, but IMO I think we see ISU run the same offense they did against KU last year which is essentially a “5 out” offense with Ejim and Niang shooting it from the wing/driving, and Hogue driving and crashing the boards, so we’ll see how much it comes in to play.

Depth: Could be big time if foul trouble comes in to play which Iowa does a good job of. Probably my #1 concern and honestly why I think Iowa wins.

ISU advantages: Despite the height advantage I like ISU’s ability to rebound, I think ISU/Xavier are comparable in how they rebound and crash the glass and Xavier was able to hurt Iowa with second chance points. Hogue/Ejim are dopplegangers who thrive on the offensive glass and both have the old ISU undersized, nasty rebounder gene that goes back to Kenny Pratt. Big key if ISU is going to win IMO.

Hilton: This has been hashed out ad-nauseum so I won’t go into it. However it is an advantage that exists. I’m still not totally convinced Iowa has overcome their road woes from last season despite good play on neutral courts this year.


The #1 offensive key in this game in my opinion is ISU’s ability to hit 3’s from Ejim and Niang. Ejim is shooting 39% so far this year, Niang not as well but he did shoot 39% for the season last year so he has the ability. Need to stretch the floor, create driving lanes for Hogue/Kane, and give them opportunities to get to the offensive glass. Defensively, it has to be the ability to play at least passable defense without fouling. If Ejim, Niang, or Hogue spend significant amounts of time on the bench I don’t like ISU’s odds and I do think at least one of them gets in foul trouble. The equalizer there could be Hilton, last year ISU lead the country in foul disparity between home/away games. They get more fouls at home and are charged for fewer more than any team in the country. ISU fans take heat for booing and being numbskulls at home, and rightly so in some cases, however it does appear to work.

Good luck and hopefully the fans on either side don’t go too nuts afterward.
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Pains me to say this but the ISU home court advantage will be too much for Iowa to overcome. It is the only thing I have EVER been jealous of ISU having. I wish Carver was half as raucous as Hilton. ISU by 7-10.
 
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iowa will crush the clowns. too much depth, too much length, just better. all you hoks calling for a clown victory need to check your mancard at the door.
 
Excellent chance at winning....but even if Iowa loses a close one, put the damn game out of your mind quick, and get focused on the Conf. games as that is where the Dance will be won or lost.
 
MiniMoeHawk said:
What does that have to do with a mancard? You must be thinking homer card.
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i said the same thing about the football game when everyone was scared due to it being a 'road game'....bunch of chicken littles on this board....and no, not being a homer. iowa is just a much better team, and as with 'the jack', the crumbling concrete dome known as 'hilton' has no 'magic'.....rather a floor paid for by you and me via FEMA.....
 
These two teams are so evenly matched it is ridiculous. So the differences are going to be the refs and the crowd.
#1 The way the refs call this game will not be the difference. It will be who adapts to it. Hopefully they call a tight game The tighter the better. Iowa has the depth to withstand foul trouble.

#2 I hate the term "Hilton Magic." Call it what you want, but they have a great home court atmosphere. If the Hawks let it get to them, any momentum isu may get will quickly turn into a tidal wave.

Game management will be key. I could see this game going to multiple OT's.

This will be awesome, I cannot wait!
 
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<I think this looks a lot like the Drake game. Let me finish. Iowa State is more physical and much more talented. >

RocknRollface said:
Much more talented? Huh?

Thats a bizzar opinion.
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Let me translate. He means they are more black.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
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<I think this looks a lot like the Drake game. Let me finish. Iowa State is more physical and much more talented. >



Let me translate. He means they are more black.
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They have so much more athleticism and we have so much more energy. Matt Thomas is their only high-energy guy.
 
I am basing this off of the stats to date for ISU as I have not seen them play.
ISU is not an offensive rebounding team. They get most of their boards on the defensive end. I expect they will give up the second chance points and be content to play transition defense.
They protect the ball well enough with a 2-1 assist/to ratio.
Niang and Ejim have had some foul problems, so that is where we can and should exploit our advantage. We need to be aggressive in the paint when we get position on these 2 ( Basabe, Olaseni, White and McCabe) when they come out to guard or hedge, we need to run them through some screens and see if we can't get them to pick up some cheap fouls.
I haven't seen ISU play this year, so I don't know how much zone defense they play. That might be their best chance to keep their best players out of foul trouble.
ISU shoots about the same amount of 3 pt shots, at the same % as we do. That's a wash unless one team gets hot. Uthoff and McCabe will end up being guarded by smaller guys on the perimeter, so they need to let it fly early and often. Especially Uthoff. We can't afford to have him passing up open 3 pt shots.
ISU is a fairly deep team but their size doesn't change very much. We will have a much taller team on the floor for most of the game.
ISU averages 91 points per game and we average 89 ppg. This should be a track meet and a lot of fun to watch.
I like our depth and height in this game. If we come out and hustle like we did in last season's game, we should win. I expect ISU to come out fired up with a lot of intensity. They will want to get the crowd into the game. We have to match that intensity. We can't let them open up a lead and then try and pick up our pace to match theirs. The refs will call the fouls on us and stall any chance of a come back.
I think we win this game.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
So you are saying there is a chance....

Throw out the records, stats and match-ups. I am feeling good about this team but I give us less than a 5% chance of winning. Too many things have to go in our favor that do not seem likely at Ames. They are very good and will play with extra energy against us. Think about the disaster it would be should they lose to us on their home floor given the mountain of crap their fans give us all the time. They cannot let that happen.

I just want to see how we play and respond as this will be a great prep for 6 or 7 of the B1G road venues we will play in starting at Wisky in game 2 of the conference season.
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Iowa has WAY more than a 5% chance. I'd say 40%.
 
FCAS said:
Given that Iowa may be in zone D for a fair amount of the game, and given that Iowa rotates 10 guys, I would not place much importance on a specific matchup.
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Big games between great teams more often than not come down to which of the star players can impose their will. The 3 best players so far for both teams play the exact same positions. Iowa State plays very little zone and Iowa will be in man for the majority of the game with the way ISU shoots in Hilton. The Marble-Kane, White-Ejim, and Uthoff- Hogue matchups will be huge for both teams. The team that wins the majority of these matchups will have a very high probability of winning.
 
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