I'm done.

[tm3308]

thats what i said. he had dignity and clarity. you jumped off a bridge

I never jumped off a bridge. This is still a solid team. But until they can start proving it on the court, anything more than calling them a solid second-tier team in the B1G, is all hype.

All I've done is decide to stop drinking the kool-aid. I didn't spike it with poison and shotgun it.

 

[BryceC]

Serious question, what was the last instate kid that chose Iowa State over Iowa? Haluska? Before that was it hoiberg? For all the concern about that it sure doesn't happen very often.

 

[SamsonHawk515]

I never jumped off a bridge. This is still a solid team. But until they can start proving it on the court, anything more than calling them a solid second-tier team in the B1G, is all hype.

All I've done is decide to stop drinking the kool-aid. I didn't spike it with poison and shotgun it.

It pains me to say this little tyke, but I agree with everything you have posted in this thread.

This team doesn't have the cuthroat mentality when the game is on the line you have to reach for that extra 10% that seperates winners from losers. Jordan, Bird, Lebron, great teams have that inner will that almost makes them super human. I don't see it in this team, I saw a team that was in a shell the first 8 minutes of the first half because they didn't understand MSU throws uppercuts all game, not body blows.

My faith in this team will only be restored when they prove to themselves and the fans they have the guts to man up and win a game against one of college bball's elites. Until then a 6-7 seed in the tourney might be where they belong.

 

[PCHawk]

The good thing is that this team is so good that they put every team that's not top 25 away so they don't have the opportunity to choke at the end. Other than the top 16 teams that have beat us, only a couple teams all year have even had a chance to win at the 2 minute mark.

 

[cohawkeye]

It pains me to say this little tyke, but I agree with everything you have posted in this thread.

This team doesn't have the cuthroat mentality when the game is on the line you have to reach for that extra 10% that seperates winners from losers. Jordan, Bird, Lebron, great teams have that inner will that almost makes them super human. I don't see it in this team, I saw a team that was in a shell the first 8 minutes of the first half because they didn't understand MSU throws uppercuts all game, not body blows.

My faith in this team will only be restored when they prove to themselves and the fans they have the guts to man up and win a game against one of college bball's elites. Until then a 6-7 seed in the tourney might be where they belong.

As of now this team is not a tournament team. With the schedule they have coming up and no cure for poor free throw shooting, this could real easily turn into the same nightmare we witnessed last night.(the RPI is nosediving)I can easily pick out another 5 to 6 losses to come. That puts us at a worse record than last year in conference with no more quality outside wins (Xavier really? I mean that's it.) than the 10-8 mark of a year ago. Could they make a run in the tourney? It is not a matter of can they, they are left with no choice but to make the semi finals or finals to get an NCAA look. Groundhog day has been mentioned. Everyone in here saw the same thing last year......we don't have a quality point guard, but we don't bring in a point guard...we bring in a 6-7 guard WTH? We are paying for the glaring weaknesses that existed last year and this is fast becoming a wasted season. There potential is ripping the emotions out of the fans, but a truth check shows we only beat bad teams.

 

[PCHawk]

As of now this team is not a tournament team. With the schedule they have coming up and no cure for poor free throw shooting, this could real easily turn into the same nightmare we witnessed last night.(the RPI is nosediving)I can easily pick out another 5 to 6 losses to come. That puts us at a worse record than last year in conference with no more quality outside wins (Xavier really? I mean that's it.) than the 10-8 mark of a year ago. Could they make a run in the tourney? It is not a matter of can they, they are left with no choice but to make the semi finals or finals to get an NCAA look. Groundhog day has been mentioned. Everyone in here saw the same thing last year......we don't have a quality point guard, but we don't bring in a point guard...we bring in a 6-7 guard WTH? We are paying for the glaring weaknesses that existed last year and this is fast becoming a wasted season. There potential is ripping the emotions out of the fans, but a truth check shows we only beat bad teams.

Great post. You are as accurate with your stats as herby was.

 

[WindsorHawk]

At least 2 and maybe 3 wasted scholarships on the roster as it is.

Rarely do I read such profound...Nonsense.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Funny stuff in this thread. I see the dooms day crowd and trolls are hard at it. I especially enjoy the posts with erroneous statements of fact. There's too much trolling and negative nonsense to try to quote all of the drivel.

My opinion...The Hawks lose at Michigan State. I'm open minded enough to accept the fact they could lose 1 more...at Minnesota or home against Michigan being the most likely if it happens. I won't be at all surprised if they go 9-1 down the stretch. However, I won't be on here complaining if they go 7-3.

 

[Seth53]

I agree with the OP.

Perhaps a better way to frame this is to state..."tempering expectations."

Stemming from the inability to close out 5 teams where we should have won, versus one we did against a team who isn't all that and a bag of chips.

Sad too, coming to this, as this is our year. Three fourth year seniors....all of whom have been through the fight and you'd figure be hungrier than a hobo on a hotdog. Perhaps not.

With our losses next year, we'll be bumping shoulders wth Purdue and Illinois in the 6-8 B1G square dance position, tops.

 

[Seth53]

And I'll add....even being in my mid-50's, I'm not immune to the hype and have ignored my avatar.

Case in point....the 2010 FB team. Man, did I drink the Kool-Aid, then sat in stunned disbelief while we pi$$ed down our pant leg at Arizona.

Poof, as badly as I wanted to believe, as long as I've waited for another 1985 season, Mr. Reason set in and crowded Mr. Expectations off the couch.

Damm him.

 

[iasportsguy]

Next year is gonna be even worse with no power forward to replace Basabe and Marble gone.

Unless Jok and Uthoff turn into world beaters, we might stink next season.

Still have no one down low for the B1G wars tho even if they do step up.

 

[ATLHawkeye]

Saying I'm done expecting them to take the next step is not the same thing as saying I'm done supporting them. I'm just going to take them for what they are, instead of expecting them to be something more because of all the hype.

I'm not sure where you thought we'd be at this point in the season. We're currently sitting at 3rd in the B10 with plenty of basketball left to play. Did you think we'd be leading the league? I didn't. I didn't expect us to be 3rd either. I'm as frustrated as the next guy with the way we've lost our games, but I think we're sitting pretty well right now.

 

[tm3308]

I'm not sure where you thought we'd be at this point in the season. We're currently sitting at 3rd in the B10 with plenty of basketball left to play. Did you think we'd be leading the league? I didn't. I didn't expect us to be 3rd either. I'm as frustrated as the next guy with the way we've lost our games, but I think we're sitting pretty well right now.

We're third in the league, yes. This league also isn't nearly as tough as it appeared in the preseason. If you truly believe a title is still possible, then we can only (realistically) afford to lose one more game, and it likely can't be against either of the Michigan schools. 5 conference losses isn't going to win it, and I've seen little to suggest that this team is going to put together a 9-1 or 10-0 finish.

I hope they do that. But I'm not going to expect wins against Wisconsin, Michigan or Michigan State.

 

[theboat]

Let me first say that I'm still damn proud to call myself a Hawk fan. I'll still support this team from the opening tip to the final buzzer every night out.

But I'm done holding my breath waiting for this group to get over the hump. I'm just going to accept them for what they are: a solid, tourney-caliber team that simply can't finish against the big boys. If they surprise me, they surprise me; but I'm done sitting on pins and needles thinking THIS will be the night they figure it out.

If you'd told me before the game that Dawson and Payne would be out, Harris would have an off night and we'd shoot 23 more free throws than MSU (especially while they went 11-20), I'd have told you that we'd win the game by 20 or more. Instead, we **** the bed again -- only this time we do it on national television.

MSU controlled this game almost the entire time. We never got into our running game and the half court offense was stuck in neutral all night. The defense was great more often than not, but we gave up seemingly endless offensive rebounds in big spots. As for our free throw shooting? When is it time to just say we're not that good of a free throw shooting team? It's not like we shot significantly worse than usual tonight.

Honestly, I'm not sure we're significantly better than last year. Sure, we look a little prettier against the middling teams in the conference, but when the metal meets the meat and we're facing the top teams, we don't really look any different than a year ago. Uthoff looked like he was going to be a damn good addition to this year's rotation, but nearly half way through the conference season, I can full-heartedly say I'd much rather have Eric May back. May was at least as effective offensively as Uthoff has been in conference play, and he was a great defender.

Again, I'm still proud to say I'm an Iowa fan. But I'm done believing this team is/can be great, until they actually prove it on the floor.

So you would rather have a senior 4 year starter than a guy playing his first collegiate games? Great insight. Why stop there? If we had kingsbury and dean Oliver, that would be cool to.

 

[tm3308]

So you would rather have a senior 4 year starter than a guy playing his first collegiate games? Great insight. Why stop there? If we had kingsbury and dean Oliver, that would be cool to.

Uthoff came in with plenty of hype, and the general consensus coming into this season was that we'd be able to replace May. But I definitely don't think Uthoff has been an upgrade.

 

[theboat]

As of now this team is not a tournament team. With the schedule they have coming up and no cure for poor free throw shooting, this could real easily turn into the same nightmare we witnessed last night.(the RPI is nosediving)I can easily pick out another 5 to 6 losses to come. That puts us at a worse record than last year in conference with no more quality outside wins (Xavier really? I mean that's it.) than the 10-8 mark of a year ago. Could they make a run in the tourney? It is not a matter of can they, they are left with no choice but to make the semi finals or finals to get an NCAA look. Groundhog day has been mentioned. Everyone in here saw the same thing last year......we don't have a quality point guard, but we don't bring in a point guard...we bring in a 6-7 guard WTH? We are paying for the glaring weaknesses that existed last year and this is fast becoming a wasted season. There potential is ripping the emotions out of the fans, but a truth check shows we only beat bad teams.

Tork. Creating alts to deflect within your own thread ain't cool.

 

[theboat]

Uthoff came in with plenty of hype, and the general consensus coming into this season was that we'd be able to replace May. But I definitely don't think Uthoff has been an upgrade.

Again. You are comparing the senior leader of last years team with a first year player. Maybe you should be done.

 

[tm3308]

Again. You are comparing the senior leader of last years team with a first year player. Maybe you should be done.

So you're apparently forgetting how people were talking like Uthoff might be our best player before the end of the year? He's not even the fifth best guy since conference play started.

 

[okeefe4prez]

So you're apparently forgetting how people were talking like Uthoff might be our best player before the end of the year? He's not even the fifth best guy since conference play started.

Let me let you in on a secret, bud. Most of the people on this board are idiots.

 

[bcl20]

There were people who thought Woody would come in and dominate. Uthoff is fine (though what the hell is up with his free throw shooting) he's done what you expect from a bench player.