End of an IC/Coralville Era (?)

Yeah. The clown who had Hamburg also closed one of the all time great local/neighborhood bars next door. Replaced a small gold mine with a wine bar which is empty most of the time. Re-open Ugly’s, Nate. Please.
I think it's a Kombucha bar next door. The wine place (Brix) is across the street, and is actually pretty good.

I would be good to re-open a dive bar next door. I never see anyone in that Kombucha place. Luckily George's and the Fox Head are just around the corner if you need your dive bar fix.
 
Yeah, i have done las palmas. Never had a bad meal. I think i will head over to Kall Inn as soon as my taste buds recover. Went to a wedding. Got Covid. Had avoided it for 3 damn years. Now I can’t taste anything. Been eating ramen just for sustenance and i tried jazzing it with jalapeños and i could barely taste those.

As long as i get taste back in time for beer and nachos for game time Sept 1, i am good!

You haven't had your normal taste for 3 years! This or did you get Covid again recently?
 
I think it's a Kombucha bar next door. The wine place (Brix) is across the street, and is actually pretty good.

I would be good to re-open a dive bar next door. I never see anyone in that Kombucha place. Luckily George's and the Fox Head are just around the corner if you need your dive bar fix.
These kinds of establishments are always short lived. I would never open a business based on just a trendy drink.
 
I think it's a Kombucha bar next door. The wine place (Brix) is across the street, and is actually pretty good.

I would be good to re-open a dive bar next door. I never see anyone in that Kombucha place. Luckily George's and the Fox Head are just around the corner if you need your dive bar fix.
What is a Kombucha bar?
 

or if you don't have FB, here's the downtown district listing: https://downtowniowacity.com/listings/wild-culture-kombucha-taproom/

Their website apparently doesn't work...

I've never been there, so no idea if it's any good or not. I don't mind a Kombucha every now and then, and we've even made our own, but it's not something I want to drink every day. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
 

or if you don't have FB, here's the downtown district listing: https://downtowniowacity.com/listings/wild-culture-kombucha-taproom/

Their website apparently doesn't work...

I've never been there, so no idea if it's any good or not. I don't mind a Kombucha every now and then, and we've even made our own, but it's not something I want to drink every day. I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
Thanks
 
Yeah, i have done las palmas. Never had a bad meal. I think i will head over to Kall Inn as soon as my taste buds recover. Went to a wedding. Got Covid. Had avoided it for 3 damn years. Now I can’t taste anything. Been eating ramen just for sustenance and i tried jazzing it with jalapeños and i could barely taste those.

As long as i get taste back in time for beer and nachos for game time Sept 1, i am good!
My taste and smell took roughly three months to come back, and the smell isn’t 100% back. My sense of smell isn’t altered that I can tell, but it’s maybe 75% as sensitive as it was the rest of my life till now.

Taste is pretty close to the same to where I don’t notice any difference, but there are a couple things that are weird. I used to love ranch but I can’t stand it now. Has a tinny, metallic flavor. I’ve tried almost every brand. I’d also say flavors aren’t as strong as they used to be. I have to season certain things more heavily now.

I feel your pain, it sounds like a dumb simple thing that isn’t a big deal, but mentally it’s agonizing. I was honest to god somewhat depressed for a while there. Eating satisfies hunger, but it also gives enjoyment with the dopamine good food gives you. When you eat just because you need calories and can’t enjoy anything, that sucks big time.
 
I'll go one more round, but then, seriously, let's get back to football. Paul Fussell pretty much tells your story. A 1930s era communist who saw the whole world through the prism of class, as apparently you do as well, kind of misses the point of being American.

My grandparents were all Greek immigrants that arrived here with nothing around 1910. There aren't many more humble starts than that kick off. My father's father died six weeks after the first Black Monday, leaving not only a widow but a widow with five little kids to raise (Fred was the youngest-born November 4 after the first Black Monday) in the depression. I grew up in Ottumwa, which is considerably trashier than Coralville, especially in the 70s.

But my maternal grandfather became a millionaire, mostly through bootlegging and then running an illegal casino and some clubs and a motel with a restaurant. My father grew up in destitution. It was important to him that my brother and I not only experienced nice things, good clothes, nice cars (got a 76 Shelby Cobra on my 17th BDay-in 1976), nice vacations, learned how to behave in polite environments, although in private there's a lot of Ottumwa you cannot take out of the boys.

The point is, we changed our class, substantially. Even though my grandfather was treated as an oily dark skinned "Greek" or "Gypsy", couldn't join the CC, and was never accepted by the actual WASPs that ran our little town, my brother and I had no difficulty joining CCs and obtaining other social standing and benefits unavailable to my parents, who were growing up in 1930s America-the America Fussell described at the times his beliefs were forming or hardening. That's not the America of today.

Dude, you can enjoy what you enjoy. I can enjoy what I enjoy. Neither lifestyle is morally superior. I certainly don't divide the world into proles and capitalists, and don't know many people who see the world through such a narrow prism.

In any event, this topic has surely been exhausted, at least for this board...so let's get back to football.
 
My taste and smell took roughly three months to come back, and the smell isn’t 100% back. My sense of smell isn’t altered that I can tell, but it’s maybe 75% as sensitive as it was the rest of my life till now.

Taste is pretty close to the same to where I don’t notice any difference, but there are a couple things that are weird. I used to love ranch but I can’t stand it now. Has a tinny, metallic flavor. I’ve tried almost every brand. I’d also say flavors aren’t as strong as they used to be. I have to season certain things more heavily now.

I feel your pain, it sounds like a dumb simple thing that isn’t a big deal, but mentally it’s agonizing. I was honest to god somewhat depressed for a while there. Eating satisfies hunger, but it also gives enjoyment with the dopamine good food gives you. When you eat just because you need calories and can’t enjoy anything, that sucks big time.
I sympathize with both you guys. I got Covid in '21 and was sick for about 3 weeks but didn't get my sense of taste/smell bad back for 6-8 weeks later.
 
I'll go one more round, but then, seriously, let's get back to football. Paul Fussell pretty much tells your story. A 1930s era communist who saw the whole world through the prism of class, as apparently you do as well, kind of misses the point of being American.

My grandparents were all Greek immigrants that arrived here with nothing around 1910. There aren't many more humble starts than that kick off. My father's father died six weeks after the first Black Monday, leaving not only a widow but a widow with five little kids to raise (Fred was the youngest-born November 4 after the first Black Monday) in the depression. I grew up in Ottumwa, which is considerably trashier than Coralville, especially in the 70s.

But my maternal grandfather became a millionaire, mostly through bootlegging and then running an illegal casino and some clubs and a motel with a restaurant. My father grew up in destitution. It was important to him that my brother and I not only experienced nice things, good clothes, nice cars (got a 76 Shelby Cobra on my 17th BDay-in 1976), nice vacations, learned how to behave in polite environments, although in private there's a lot of Ottumwa you cannot take out of the boys.

The point is, we changed our class, substantially. Even though my grandfather was treated as an oily dark skinned "Greek" or "Gypsy", couldn't join the CC, and was never accepted by the actual WASPs that ran our little town, my brother and I had no difficulty joining CCs and obtaining other social standing and benefits unavailable to my parents, who were growing up in 1930s America-the America Fussell described at the times his beliefs were forming or hardening. That's not the America of today.

Dude, you can enjoy what you enjoy. I can enjoy what I enjoy. Neither lifestyle is morally superior. I certainly don't divide the world into proles and capitalists, and don't know many people who see the world through such a narrow prism.

In any event, this topic has surely been exhausted, at least for this board...so let's get back to football.
Wrong.

People who value and feel the need to separate themselves in to a "higher" class over other people, and those who think that joining "CCs" and obtaining social standing and its benefits are important, are in fact morally inferior.

That may make you uncomfortable, but truth is sometimes uncomfortable.

The fact that you feel it's necessary to tell complete and total strangers that you and your brother are "CC" members, and have social status, and that you got a brand new Shelby Cobra at age 17 proves my point. Quite literally no one on earth other than you cares about any of that. Not a soul.

I'll go one more round, but then, seriously, let's get back to football.​

In any event, this topic has surely been exhausted, at least for this board...so let's get back to football.
Sorry, this is the offseason and this thread had nothing to do with football when @Seth53 started it. If you don't want people responding to your posts then don't post them. There are a bunch of other threads dealing with football if you're sick of this one.

You seem like the type of guy who's always gotten his way. And it shows.

Yuck.
 
Oh, I like response. I just don't want to get yelled at by a moderator. Did you take a class on sanctimony? Virtue signaling? Judgment? You have certainly mastered those three lies.

Wrong.

People who value and feel the need to separate themselves in to a "higher" class over other people, and those who think that joining "CCs" and obtaining social standing and its benefits are important, are in fact morally inferior.

That may make you uncomfortable, but truth is sometimes uncomfortable.

The fact that you feel it's necessary to tell complete and total strangers that you and your brother are "CC" members, and have social status, and that you got a brand new Shelby Cobra at age 17 proves my point. Quite literally no one on earth other than you cares about any of that. Not a soul.
I threw the Shelby Cobra in just for you. That punched landed. If you could only see me giggling over the class envy you unwittingly exposed. "Wrong" my friend is not an argument. Merely the assertion you believe me wrong. You do not, apparently know people many CC members, cuz that is not how we act-although I am no longer in a CC because my back cannot play golf anymore.

Every society in mankind's history has been ordered by class. Really sucks for the Untouchables, right? Be a Quigher in CCP China, you'll start to get the point. People are always driven by more financial security and more leisure-or most people anyway. Few people decline a raise or a promotion. Not just in the land of silver dollar but everywhere through all of time. You are the outlier, not within the norm of human behavior. But again, I don't care. I figure each person should decide their own lifestyles, at least to the point it doesn't violate my rights. Wearing cheap clothes, driving cheap used cars, and think of anywhere in Iowa as a vacation location is fine if that is what you want.

I've said this four times, and you seem to ignore it: neither I nor most of the white-collar class make moral judgments about the person or that person's choice of priorities. They are people, the same as me. They are essential to my existence because I don't know how to change the oil in my car, or plumbing, etc... Defining someone by class, like the quintiles of tax distribution is not the same as judging them by class. That is an important distinction you should probably deeply consider. You might be less angry and judgmental.​

Fryowa

You seem like the type of guy who's always gotten his way. And it shows.

Yuck.


Somewhat true. But it wasn't all given to me. I've had to fight against immediate competitors for most of what I have. Trial lawyer-win, get paid; lose, don't get paid. Nothing was given to me in politics, I had to win the nastiest of intraparty elections. But I won them, especially given the significantly disparate policy distinctions I had with most Republican Leadership. But I know I was lucky and privileged growing up, but that's why Mike the Greek did all the things he did, so his family would prosper when he was gone. That strikes me as exactly what men should do. Indeed, supporting your family as best you can and for as long as one can is essential to the definition of a "man" and not a boy or a slug deadbeat.

Last but not least, "yuck"? That's grade school level. However, it certainly sums the quality of your repartee.

Listen buddy, you've got some real self-esteem issues to resolve, and I don't want to be your therapist. So you do you and I'll do me. Maybe you lay off Lennon's "Working Class Hero" and listen to something fun, like Cajun or Zydeco. Go enjoy a nice big 32 Oz serving of Iowa Black Angus cooked by someone who actually cooks steaks for a living. That surely beats the humdrum of every day. Give yourself a short vacation from angst.​

NOW FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WILL YOU JUST STOP AND GET BACK TO FOOTBALL?
 
Oh, I like response. I just don't want to get yelled at by a moderator. Did you take a class on sanctimony? Virtue signaling? Judgment? You have certainly mastered those three lies.


I threw the Shelby Cobra in just for you. That punched landed. If you could only see me giggling over the class envy you unwittingly exposed. "Wrong" my friend is not an argument. Merely the assertion you believe me wrong. You do not, apparently know people many CC members, cuz that is not how we act-although I am no longer in a CC because my back cannot play golf anymore.

Every society in mankind's history has been ordered by class. Really sucks for the Untouchables, right? Be a Quigher in CCP China, you'll start to get the point. People are always driven by more financial security and more leisure-or most people anyway. Few people decline a raise or a promotion. Not just in the land of silver dollar but everywhere through all of time. You are the outlier, not within the norm of human behavior. But again, I don't care. I figure each person should decide their own lifestyles, at least to the point it doesn't violate my rights. Wearing cheap clothes, driving cheap used cars, and think of anywhere in Iowa as a vacation location is fine if that is what you want.

I've said this four times, and you seem to ignore it: neither I nor most of the white-collar class make moral judgments about the person or that person's choice of priorities. They are people, the same as me. They are essential to my existence because I don't know how to change the oil in my car, or plumbing, etc... Defining someone by class, like the quintiles of tax distribution is not the same as judging them by class. That is an important distinction you should probably deeply consider. You might be less angry and judgmental.​

Fryowa

You seem like the type of guy who's always gotten his way. And it shows.

Yuck.


Somewhat true. But it wasn't all given to me. I've had to fight against immediate competitors for most of what I have. Trial lawyer-win, get paid; lose, don't get paid. Nothing was given to me in politics, I had to win the nastiest of intraparty elections. But I won them, especially given the significantly disparate policy distinctions I had with most Republican Leadership. But I know I was lucky and privileged growing up, but that's why Mike the Greek did all the things he did, so his family would prosper when he was gone. That strikes me as exactly what men should do. Indeed, supporting your family as best you can and for as long as one can is essential to the definition of a "man" and not a boy or a slug deadbeat.

Last but not least, "yuck"? That's grade school level. However, it certainly sums the quality of your repartee.

Listen buddy, you've got some real self-esteem issues to resolve, and I don't want to be your therapist. So you do you and I'll do me. Maybe you lay off Lennon's "Working Class Hero" and listen to something fun, like Cajun or Zydeco. Go enjoy a nice big 32 Oz serving of Iowa Black Angus cooked by someone who actually cooks steaks for a living. That surely beats the humdrum of every day. Give yourself a short vacation from angst.​
That’s a lot of words from someone who “doesn’t care.”

You’re going to great lengths to keep telling us that you're a rich guy and how much status you have, and how you're above changing your oil or unclogging a sink. That continual need to tell people who don't care how much money and status you have is evidence of some seriously deep-rooted insecurities.

I'm not angry at all. You haven't been here long enough to learn that I'm not going to roll over, and you said in your last post that was the last time you were going to retort. At this point you've shown yourself as being easily baited, so we're at the fun stage now. This is like playing with a cat and a laser pointer.

NOW FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WILL YOU JUST STOP AND GET BACK TO FOOTBALL
Last time I'm going to tell you, this thread isn't about football, it never was, and you don't get to steer the car here. We can all tell you're used to being the loudest guy in the room directing the conversation, so I get it. You're frustrated by the lack of respect that you so fiercely demand. But I don't know what to tell you. There are two other attorneys here who are much more knowledgeable about Iowa sports, don't act like Marie Antoinette, and they're way funnier than you. Take notes from them and try to keep up.
 
People are always driven by more financial security and more leisure-or most people anyway. Few people decline a raise or a promotion. Not just in the land of silver dollar but everywhere through all of time. You are the outlier, not within the norm of human behavior.

That simply isn't true any longer. The younger generation will absolutely not run through a brick wall for a little extra money. Every organization of any significance in the US has built a model for their future based on perpetual growth and that growth has ended in all sorts of industries and markets. The effects of it are only beginning to be felt in the US.

The number of people checking out of society across the entire industrialized world is becoming very startling. People have realized that the power of authority is very tenuous. It's a global issue - Japan, China, France, Germany, England, the US. The kids who aren't heirs to the giant commissar fortunes have basically checked out of economic participation save for minimal consumption.
 
That’s a lot of words from someone who “doesn’t care.”

You’re going to great lengths to keep telling us that you're a rich guy and how much status you have, and how you're above changing your oil or unclogging a sink. That continual need to tell people who don't care how much money and status you have is evidence of some seriously deep-rooted insecurities.

I'm not angry at all. You haven't been here long enough to learn that I'm not going to roll over, and you said in your last post that was the last time you were going to retort. At this point you've shown yourself as being easily baited, so we're at the fun stage now. This is like playing with a cat and a laser pointer.


Last time I'm going to tell you, this thread isn't about football, it never was, and you don't get to steer the car here. We can all tell you're used to being the loudest guy in the room directing the conversation, so I get it. You're frustrated by the lack of respect that you so fiercely demand. But I don't know what to tell you. There are two other attorneys here who are much more knowledgeable about Iowa sports, don't act like Marie Antoinette, and they're way funnier than you. Take notes from them and try to keep up.
LET'S GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS!

Well, you might think its bait but I'm not going to let you redefine and distort what I've said. Especially since you don't make arguments, you just hurl personal attacks and snark, like an 8th grader. I view the exercise as fun also, exposing the genuinely dumb, who think they're smart, has been a hobby since I first made my 7th grade religious fanatic English teacher cry.

Again, you are distorting the point I made-basically just lying because you read the context. I respect the guy that fixes my car or my plumbing because they are: (1) supporting themselves and hopefully their families, which really is all I expect of people, and (2) doing something I cannot do for myself. Now this may be hard for you to grasp, but I think the readers will get it. I'm not too good for mechanical work or plumbing but I don't do it because, I DO NOT KNOW HOW! I'm terrible at mechanical work, making measurements, etc... because I am far too impatient. Plumbers and especially auto mechanics knew what they wanted to do, learned how to do it-probably starting as apprentices or tech school-and they are essential to the proper function of modern life. I don't look down on those guys, I'm very grateful there's someone that I can call to do something I cannot do for myself. Importantly I'm grateful they come to me when they have legal trouble.

I do care about you insulting me and distorting my words. I don't care about you. I do not care if you want to be the Dude, on a short list of the laziest men in the world. As long as you support yourself and your family you can be as slovenly, stupid and class envious as you want. Be angry, cheap and bitter all the time. That sounds like a poor way to live to me, but you can, and I don't care about your choice. I'd rather take a nice trip to Vegas, eat a 24 oz. Porterhouse and spend the night playing cards. Different lives and preferences. Neither choice is more moral than the other. Are you such a dogmatic and malignant personality you cannot climb down from your high horse long enough to just settle for you know, diversity? Different people doing different things they enjoy without your moral and political judgment and ridicule.

This post started about restaurants until you launched a little postmodern revolutionary bullshit at some guy that was just describing a nice restaurant he liked. I don't like that kind of bullying and I don't like leaving the bully with the last word.

"[You] are telling me for the last time..." You think you have the authority, and even more so the ability to determine what I say? What are you going do to me if I repeat the line we should be talking about football? Will it be the same reaction as when your wife served your chili too cold?

Your repeated distortion of what I have written displays you as a narrow minded, envious, slovenly clown whose idea of a good time is looking at wildlife during a full moon, with your homemade granola and that ever so fine wine you bought at that special little vinyard on that special blanket you bought at a craft store in the Amanas, on sale in 1997. That would bore me to tears. One of the few classes of "people" I do not respect, is the fool who thinks he's wise. In this conversation, you are that fool.

You're simply a bully, King Kong with keyboard, skulking around behind an avatar to avoid personal accountability for being a mere name calling, hate spiting bully. You need the last word to give you air for your next volley of 8th grade snark and personal attack at me or someone else, like the personal attack you launched against some other poster about WASPs and leather chairs, which are more comfortable than plastic chairs, from a comfort angle.

Since you seek a relationship to the OP-from which you first departed:
LET'S GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS!
 
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LET'S GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS!

Well, you might think its bait but I'm not going to let you redefine and distort what I've said. Especially since you don't make arguments, you just hurl personal attacks and snark, like an 8th grader. I view the exercise as fun also, exposing the genuinely dumb, who think they're smart, has been a hobby since I first made my 7th grade religious fanatic English teacher cry.

Again, you are distorting the point I made-basically just lying because you read the context. I respect the guy that fixes my car or my plumbing because they are: (1) supporting themselves and hopefully their families, which really is all I expect of people, and (2) doing something I cannot do for myself. Now this may be hard for you to grasp, but I think the readers will get it. I'm not too good at mechanical work or plumbing but I don't because, I DO NOT KNOW HOW! I'm terrible at mechanical work, making measurements, etc... because I am far too impatient. Plumbers and especially auto mechanics knew what they wanted to do, learned how to do it-probably starting as apprentices or tech school-and they are essential to the proper function of modern life. I don't look down on those guys, I'm very grateful there's someone that I can call to something I cannot do for myself. Importantly I'm grateful they come to me when they have legal trouble.

I do care about you insulting me and distorting my words. I don't care about you. I do not care if you want to be the Dude, on a short list of the laziest men in the world. As long as you support yourself and your family you can be as slovenly, stupid and class envious as you want. Be angry, cheap and bitter all the time. That sounds like a poor way to live to me, but you can, and I don't care about your choice. I'd rather take a nice trip to Vegas, eat a 24 oz. Porterhouse and spend the night playing cards. Different lives and preferences. Neither choice is more moral than the other. Are you such a dogmatic and malignant personality you cannot climb down from your high horse long enough to just settle for you know, diversity? Different people doing different things they enjoy without your moral and political judgment and ridicule.

This post started about restaurants until you launched a little postmodern revolutionary bullshit at some guy that was just describing a nice restaurant he liked. I don't like that kind of bullying and I don't like leaving the bully with the last word.

"[You] are telling me for the last time..." You think you have the authority, and even more so the ability to determine what I say? What are you going do to me if I repeat the line we should be talking about football? Will it be the same reaction as when your wife served your chili too cold?

Your repeated distortion of what I have written displays you as a narrow minded, envious, slovenly clown whose idea of a good time is looking at wildlife during a full moon, with your homemade granola and that ever so fine wine you bought at that special little vinyard on that special blanket you bought at a craft store in the Amanas, on sale in 1997. That would bore me to tears. One of the few classes of "people" I do not respect, is the fool who thinks he's wise. In this conversation, you are that fool.

You're simply a bully, King Kong with keyboard, skulking around behind an avatar to avoid personal accountability for being a mere name calling, hate spiting bully. You need the last word to give you air for your next volley of 8th grade snark and personal attack at me or someone else, like the personal attack you launched against some other poster about WASPs and leather chairs, which are more comfortable than plastic chairs, from a comfort angle.

Since you seek a relationship to the OP-from which you first departed:

LET'S GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS!
Going by the typical billable rates I see from day to day, that’s a $500 post for a lawyer spending that kind of time on it.

I’m starting to doubt whether you’re a lawyer in reality. I’ve met plenty but never one who’d spend that kind of time and effort being butthurt over an anonymous internet message board.
 
Going by the typical billable rates I see from day to day, that’s a $500 post for a lawyer spending that kind of time on it.

I’m starting to doubt whether you’re a lawyer in reality. I’ve met plenty but never one who’d spend that kind of time and effort being butthurt over an anonymous internet message board.
I'm kind of OCD/ADD and jump from one project to another. Total typing time, with a two-and-a-half-hour telephone call between, about fifteen minutes. Maybe another five when I went back to fix typos. Not really much of project, and the substance was easily written.

Plus, I'm counting down the days to retirement, so slapping around some internet bully is worth 20 minutes of my time these days. That's only $72 gross, Dude, and $72 doesn't really buy much these days.
 

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