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ShadasRevenge said:
Point-by-point rebuttal of VD's post quoted by Hawke above.

1. That remains to be seen. With the exception of his lone big run, your A-Rob did nothing against a very mediocre NIU front 4. 1.8 YPC isn't going to cut it against the Hawks, and Lamaak won't be able to get out to the second level like he did on the big run.

2. ISU o-line may have more experience, but I'll give the edge in coaching young guys to Iowa. Your more experienced o-line didn't have a real good game last week. Your offense in general shot themselves in the foot many times, to the tune of 1/2 a dozen penalties.

3. Fine, that's a fair enough point. You let me know when an ISU fan admits that ISU has won games despite Arnaud. Do those wins and clutch performances not count? Admit or not, like it or not, Stanzi is at his best when the spotlight is the brightest, and you can't say the same for Arnaud. You don't need me to remind you that in ISU's biggest win last year, he was wearing a hat and an earpiece, and that he played like **** in the bowl game.
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1. you cannot just excuse a 63 yard run to make your point valid. fact is he ran for a 63 yard TD. that's like me saying "Iowa lost against MSU if it weren't for mcnutt catching a TD in the endzone with no time left on the clock". A-rob ran for 100 last year against iowa both behind and against nearly identical lines. what's to say the same won't happen this year other than your opinion?

2. let me get this straight, the ISU defense has a lot of inexperience and for that reason they will be terrible, but the Iowa O-line which is also rather inexperienced will have no problems at all? Right. at least you can be objective.... maybe i'm way off base, but I'll give the edge to experience over "well coached" inexperienced players every time.

3. I'm not knocking stanzi, but at least you didn't get all defensive or anything. all i'm saying is that statistically they are very similar. Put AA in a hawk uniform for the last 20 some odd games at Iowa and I'm guessing they have a very similar record.

Last years bowl game was the biggest win, hands down. anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. beating a Nebraska or and Iowa or anybody else doesn't mean **** if you don't parlay that into a bowl birth. And in that bowl game Austin made plays down the stretch to put his team in the position to win the game "when the spotlight was brightest".
 
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In terms of ISU fans bringing up the 2005 incident. There are so many different circumstances this time around than in 05. First, it's at Kinnick, not to say that in 05 that would have changed the outcome much but it definitely helps. Second, our DLine was pretty much brand new compared to the season before in 05. This season we have not only all four Dlinemen back but also looks like a newly added piece in Daniels. Third, ISU had a fairly stellar (and criminally enhanced) defense that year. They really put the cleats to our throats when we had the ball. This year, their D is far from the 05 level. With 5 of their front 7 pretty new we should have little problems with moving the ball, even with our inexperienced line. Fourth, we have experience at the backup QB position. When Tate cleaned his own clock that game and we had to drop down to Manson it was pretty much game over. I like our chances a lot better with Stanzi but if the situation came up where he went down, I feel pretty confident that JVB would pick up right where he RS left off.
 


crabshack said:
Alexander Robinson is better than any back for Iowa right now. just look at last years stats if you need proof of this. could Jewel be as good or better? I guess we'll see. ISU has a more experienced O-line, I don't know if I'd say way better than Iowa's but they're a good group.

Looking at the numbers, stanzi and AA are pretty even. Go ahead and bring up # of wins and "clutch" performaces, but those of you who keep referring to yourself as "realists" would have to admit that Iowa has won games during the stanzi era despite his play as well.

The question "ISU hasn't scored a TD in how long?" keeps coming up, but lets not forget that ISU won without scoring a TD a few years ago.

This will not be a blowout like many of you are hoping for. I'm not saying that ISU is going to win, but it will be a game going into the 4th. If ISU out schemes iowa and doesn't make mistakes, you're kidding yourself if you don't think they're capable of winning.
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And this post right here is why people think Cyclown fans are absolute tools.
 


And I would like to use my 1500th post for this insightful post...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X62dyvJv1ME&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - The Hawkeye Bitchmade Anthology - Volume 1: Austin Arnaud[/ame]
 


I don't think anyone should be too upset by what Cyclone fan has to say on a Cyclone board. If you asked anyone but Cyclone fan, that includes fans, players, media and coaches of other teams they would say Iowa. If Iowa State beats Iowa and has a better season the Iowa State's fans can have the claim that they are better. Until then it's nothing but desperate hopefulness and jealousy.
 


Actually from what I have been reading most seem to be pretty realistic when it comes to this game. Yes, there are a few that have hit the punch bowl a little too hard, but I would say at least half, some of which are regular posters, think that ISU will lose this game.
 


Hawkfromnorwalk said:
In terms of ISU fans bringing up the 2005 incident. There are so many different circumstances this time around than in 05. First, it's at Kinnick, not to say that in 05 that would have changed the outcome much but it definitely helps. Second, our DLine was pretty much brand new compared to the season before in 05. This season we have not only all four Dlinemen back but also looks like a newly added piece in Daniels. Third, ISU had a fairly stellar (and criminally enhanced) defense that year. They really put the cleats to our throats when we had the ball. This year, their D is far from the 05 level. With 5 of their front 7 pretty new we should have little problems with moving the ball, even with our inexperienced line. Fourth, we have experience at the backup QB position. When Tate cleaned his own clock that game and we had to drop down to Manson it was pretty much game over. I like our chances a lot better with Stanzi but if the situation came up where he went down, I feel pretty confident that JVB would pick up right where he RS left off.
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I don't really disagree with anything you said here

Never the less I'd say that it's pretty short sighted to just assume that Iowa will roll ISU on Saturday (not saying that's what you're doing but many on this board are). ISU is a good team this year. are they worldbeaters, no. but like I said earlier if they can out scheme Iowa and execute on both sides of the ball like they are capable of doing they could walk out of kinnick with a W.

I will guarantee that Iowa doesn't cover the spread. isn't it something like 14.5?
 


crabshack said:
I don't really disagree with anything you said here

Never the less I'd say that it's pretty short sighted to just assume that Iowa will roll ISU on Saturday (not saying that's what you're doing but many on this board are). ISU is a good team this year. are they worldbeaters, no. but like I said earlier if they can out scheme Iowa and execute on both sides of the ball like they are capable of doing they could walk out of kinnick with a W.

I will guarantee that Iowa doesn't cover the spread. isn't it something like 14.5?
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I could care less about the spread. Wins count towards championships, covering the spread doesn't.
 


TChawk said:
And this post right here is why people think Cyclown fans are absolute tools.
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debating someone else's opinion on a message board makes one a "tool" ?

would you rather I just start with all the rape trial references and tavernhawk BS to rebutle all the unoriginal "clown" comments?
 


Hawkfromnorwalk said:
I could care less about the spread. Wins count towards championships, covering the spread doesn't.
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I'm not saying that covering the spread is important to me. I'm not really into moral victories. I'm just saying that I believe the game will be closer than most are expecting.
 








Hawkfromnorwalk said:
Actually from what I have been reading most seem to be pretty realistic when it comes to this game. Yes, there are a few that have hit the punch bowl a little too hard, but I would say at least half, some of which are regular posters, think that ISU will lose this game.
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as an ISU fan I can say with reasonable certainty that it is an undisputed fact: UI is #8/9 in the country. they are ranked as high as they are for a reason-the results in 09, the returning players, and the coaching staff.

this doesn't eliminate the fact that isu has some decent players in several positions. simms, arob, Osemle, etc. These players may or may not be first string at UI. It doesn't matter. The only thing that will matter is the final score Saturday. everyone on earth favors UI-they should they are ranked 8th in the country.

Should ISU pull of the victory the victory that will make for a great victory for ISU. All of the rest of this is no different than when you guys are dismissed by tOSU. tOSU has a better history, result, and has a better rep-but UI still wants respect. ISU has made the series competitive, and I really believe that KF and staff respect this coaching staff.

FOr Iowa fan to summarily dismiss ISU is foolish, yet for ISU to pencil in a win is a bit ambitious based upon what UI has done lately.

jmb
 


SpeedHawk24 said:
13.5 right now. Highest it has gotten is 14. Never once have I seen it at 14.5. Not sure where people are getting that.
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I saw some tweets yesterday that had it at 14.5.

I think one thing that everyone is missing is the trick play from ISU. Rhoads tried it last year, and it didn't work, but got it to work against Nebraska.

Rhoads knows he can't play the Hawks straight up, he's going to have to try some trickeration.
 


ShadasRevenge said:
I saw some tweets yesterday that had it at 14.5.

I think one thing that everyone is missing is the trick play from ISU. Rhoads tried it last year, and it didn't work, but got it to work against Nebraska.

Rhoads knows he can't play the Hawks straight up, he's going to have to try some trickeration.
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did UNI nearly beat Iowa last year through "trickeration" or because they played extremely well on both sides of the ball, played to their strengths/iowa's weaknesses, and didn't turn the ball over?

it isn't like Iowa is stacked with 5 star athletes and ISU is rolling out walk ons. it's all about executing and not making mistakes. If ISU can do these things then they will not only hang with Iowa, but will have the opportunity to win... without "trickeration".
 




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