Carson Edwards would be a pretty notable player missing from this list.
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Carson Edwards would be a pretty notable player missing from this list.
NikeHawk21
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Carsen Edwards plays SG for Purdue. His assist to turnover isn’t even above 2. His ORate is slightly below Jbo’s. He is a better player for sure, maybe not better PG.
OK well then Mathias is the point guard then and leads the team in assists and he has a better PER than Jordan.
NikeHawk21
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Wrong again. P.J. Thompson is their PG and plays close to 28 minutes a game.
PJ Thomas is 5th on the team in assists and 1.7 per game. His assist to turnover isn’t even above 2.
NikeHawk21
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Cool story, but he’s still Purdue’s PG.
Did you know Bronson Koenig was 3rd on UW in assists behind Happ and Hayes last year... that doesn’t mean he wasn’t their PG.
Edwards isn't a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio but Thompson is despite his assist to turnover ratio. Haha!
Did Koenig only average 1.7 assists per game last year?
NikeHawk21
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Hahaha. Troll man you are a moron.
Edwards isn’t the point guard and P.J. Thompson is simply because I watch a lot of Purdue and know this. The guy who comes in and takes over PG duties often is actually 6’6 freshman Nojel Eastern, who only has a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. More than one way to skin a cat as they say.
I’m glad you agree with my original post about JBo being a solid player and the 5th best PG in the league.
lightning1
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Anthony Cowan made it - Maryland sucked.
Leron Black made it - Illinois sucked.
Kevin Huerter - Maryland.
Nate Mason - Minnesota.
Tyler Cook made it and he plays for Iowa.
Your theory isn't backed up by facts, in this case.
lightning1
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Gives up 6 or 8 points? That's being very generous.I'm going to get destoyed for this ( @MelroseHawkins -- I love you man; I don't mean anything by it), but he's by far the worst defender on the worst defensive team of all the Power 5 + Big East squads. That, coupled with being a non-threat to the hole is why he doesn't get the love that his stats would suggest. And it's valid in my opinion. I mean come on...we're 3rd in scoring but still in the bottom of the toilet bowl with Rutgers and Illinois. Why? because we're last in defense by a loooooooooong ways.
Iowa is 304th out of 351 D1 teams in defensive efficiency. That is dumbfoundingly bad. No other team in the 6 major conferences even comes close. Jordan being the weak link on an already horrific defense is not meaningless, and it has effects on his overall game. Say if due to weak play he gives up a net 6 or 8 points a game more than the next 5 best point guards, that in effect neutralizes a lot of his positive impact on games.
Guys, I know he's one of the greatest Iowa shooters of all time and a great kid, but you can't deny--especially in the super physical game of basketball today--that defense is just as paramount as offense and that to be considered well rounded a point guard has to be able to drive the ball. He's just too easy to defend which we saw against the better B1G teams, and he gives up way too many points on the other end. And everyone needs to stop with the excuses of shitty teammates and coaching. You could twist it around and use that excuse for just about anyone depending on the stats you're looking at. There are several parts of his game that are sorely lacking but get overshadowed by his 28' threes that he cans all the time.
lightning1
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According to box +/-, he's the 4th best player on our team.
Baer = +7
Garza = +6.4
Nunge = +4.9
Bohannon = +3.5
Kriener = +3.2
Cook = +3
Pemsl = +2.1
Moss = +1.2
NikeHawk21
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Correct. I listed many advanced stats in a thread I started last week. PER seems to be the best, unless of course you think Cook was our 6th best player?
Adam
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I don't think Jordan is going to be a 3rd year seasoned B1G veteran in October
Gosh you are insufferable.
They start practice in October at the very least and it will be his 3rd season. Seems close enough for me. I mean it was an off the cuff comment, but lord knows we can't have any of that around here. Nope we have a few 2 bit internet forum hacks, proudly up holding the factual integrity of random conversation.
lightning1
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I tend to value defense, so I'm not sure we have any "best players" on this team.
NikeHawk21
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You may want to look up the definition of best. Even the worst team in basketball this year has a best player.
But that’s kind of beside the point. The PER stat thinks JBo is a pretty good player, even given his horrendous defense, I tend to agree. Some people may disagree and that’s okay too.
lightning1
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I have no idea how they give him a positive box score, honestly. He gives up at least as many points as he scores. He couldn't play for me. I'd lose my hair coaching a guard that plays defense like that.
Knight78
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In the coach's All Big 10 teams, Wisconsin, Illinois and Iowa all had just one player in the First Team, Second Team, Third Team and Honorable Mention. Northwestern and Rutgers had none. Of the rest of the teams, only Maryland (who had 2 on those teams) had a losing record. Every other team had at least a .500 record. So yeah, I'd say it's about winning. But in order to win, you need good players who can make the All Big 10 teams.
lightning1
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You can't win without defense. So...yeah, I can see why Bohannon didn't make any of those teams. Cowan made 3rd team and the only real difference between Cowan and Bohannon's stats were 2 ppg scoring (Cowan) and defense.
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I’m liking this game.
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DDThompson
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Whoever has the most assists is the point guard.
Suddenly I’m having a deja vu moment with Cy56 having this same conversation with dean last year.
