Bad Day for Da Haters

uihawk82 said:
This ^^ is stupid. Iowa has lost a ton of games over the last 20 years when they were the better team. It happens on certain days when you make more mistakes. Football is a game of mistakes, missed tackles, miss blocks, missed opportunities, dropped passes.

Looking only at stats and not sorting out the big plays is stupid. Remember Iowa at Minny in 2010 I think when Coker ran for like 250 yards but the hawks couldnt finish, missed a couple FGs, etc, and in 2011. Those were terrible just terrible gopher teams.
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I didnt make my opinion based on the statistics, they simply support what i saw. Their defense dominated us but we made plays when we needed.
 
InGoodCo said:
and you're right, you're entitled to your opinion. I know you aren't hating either. IMO, Iowa was better. They were the only team that lead by double digits. In my opinion, Iowa was the one who really shot itself in the foot with 2 turnovers and letting them back into the game. They were better coached, better disciplined and better in every aspect sans rushing. Which, IMO, is 1 aspect of the game that determined several aspects like TOP and total yards. They had a hell of defense, but IMO, Iowa made them pay through the air where they couldn't guard a kid that only had D1 offers to be a punter.
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We scored more points. We won. Thanks for being a die-hard Hawkeye fan
 
deanvogs said:
Who cares what the rushing yards were? They made more mistakes than us, so good for us, some of those mistakes were forced, others were self inflicted, they all count. Last I knew the winners of a football game is the one who scores more points.

The very case you make about Miss. St. could be made for Iowa vs Wisconsin, Penn St., Northwestern and Purdue. We coulda/shoulda beat those guys, but we DIDN'T. We made too many mistake, and didn't take advantage of their miscues and we lost those games. So we are supposed to cry bitch and moan when we CAN'T take advantage and win a game, and CRY, BITCH, and MOAN when we DO TAKE ADVANTAGE? JFC man it's got to be exhausting to be Da Hater in a victory.
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I'm crying? Go back and read. But have someone adult sit next to you. I'll paraphrase my point. Im ecstatic that we won the game. Im overjoyed. Im elated. I was smiling ear to ear. Im not whining that we won, how we won or why we won. Woo hoo! Go Hawks! *insert fight song here* Ok, are you still with me? Did you get lost yet in blind rage? Ok, so i still believe that Mississippi State is better. Are you ok? Should i call 911? Im going to go back to celebrating the Hawkeye victory now while still holding onto my opinion. Im sorry that my opinion is bothersome to you. Another review? I agree Iowa won. Im happy that we won. America.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
No one is arguing who won the game. Your argument is we are better because we won. No, we are the 2019 Outback Bowl Champions because we won this game. They are the more talented team. The Villanova Wildcats were the 1985 NCAA Div 1 National Basketball Champions because they beat Georgetown. They werent the best basketball tean in 1985. They are recognized as national champions still.
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I have to disagree here. I guess we'll have to wait a couple years and see but I think Iowa's current roster will send a few more guys to the NFL and MST's roster will.

I thought overall the teams were fairly even. Iowa couldn't run, MST struggled in the pass game. Both defenses were great but Iowa's physicality had a more of an impact. Take that last INT for example. That MST WR was crossing the middle of the end zone when he bobbled the ball into JG's hands. Was he thinking about this teammate that had just been knocked unconscious?

IMO Iowa was also tougher and better conditioned.

The one area where MST had a huge advantage was their DL against Iowa's OL. This is a problem that has been going on for awhile now. Iowa's OLs is completely outmatched against SEC DLs and it shows every time the play an SEC team.

Like most games with fairly equal teams, turnovers dictated the outcome. Iowa had 2 crippling turnovers, but MST trumped them with 3.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
No one is arguing who won the game. Your argument is we are better because we won. No, we are the 2019 Outback Bowl Champions because we won this game. They are the more talented team. The Villanova Wildcats were the 1985 NCAA Div 1 National Basketball Champions because they beat Georgetown. They werent the best basketball tean in 1985. They are recognized as national champions still.
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Then why do we even play the games, if you can just tell us who is the better team. Lets cancel the National Championship game and Super Bowl, because you can just come down from on high and let us know who the REAL CHAMPION is, and it doesn't matter if they win or lose.
 
deanvogs said:
Then why do we even play the games, if you can just tell us who is the better team. Lets cancel the National Championship game and Super Bowl, because you can just come down from on high and let us know who the REAL CHAMPION is, and it doesn't matter if they win or lose.
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Well you gotta play the game to get the stats....perhaps change the scoring, award the win to whoever gains the most yards.
 
deanvogs said:
Then why do we even play the games, if you can just tell us who is the better team. Lets cancel the National Championship game and Super Bowl, because you can just come down from on high and let us know who the REAL CHAMPION is, and it doesn't matter if they win or lose.
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Lol Hey homer, and this is coming from KING KONG HOMER HAWKEYE/FERENTZ FAN, if you cant take criticism about our beloved Hawks that's your problem, not mine. I love the Hawks, excited for the win. Its an opinion. I watched the game. HAPPY with the win. I "feel" that Mississippi State is more talented and would win the majority of a 10 game head to head series. The Hawks took care of business and certainly thats why you play the game. So.......
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Lol Hey homer, and this is coming from KING KONG HOMER HAWKEYE/FERENTZ FAN, if you cant take criticism about our beloved Hawks that's your problem, not mine. I love the Hawks, excited for the win. Its an opinion. I watched the game. HAPPY with the win. I "feel" that Mississippi State is more talented and would win the majority of a 10 game head to head series. The Hawks took care of business and certainly thats why you play the game. So.......
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We play them 10 times on a neutral field we would win 5 of them, pretty even teams if you ask me.
 
deanvogs said:
We play them 10 times on a neutral field we would win 5 of them, pretty even teams if you ask me.
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I respect your opinion. I feel 6-4 MSU. I dont think they are good and we are bad. I just think they are better, more talent. If it was 100 games i might say 55-45 MSU. We didnt get called for a single penalty. I doubt that happens more than once or twice in 100 games and any down and distance needing 20 for a first down is tough against that defense.
 
Xerxes said:
I have to disagree here. I guess we'll have to wait a couple years and see but I think Iowa's current roster will send a few more guys to the NFL and MST's roster will.

I thought overall the teams were fairly even. Iowa couldn't run, MST struggled in the pass game. Both defenses were great but Iowa's physicality had a more of an impact. Take that last INT for example. That MST WR was crossing the middle of the end zone when he bobbled the ball into JG's hands. Was he thinking about this teammate that had just been knocked unconscious?

IMO Iowa was also tougher and better conditioned.

The one area where MST had a huge advantage was their DL against Iowa's OL. This is a problem that has been going on for awhile now. Iowa's OLs is completely outmatched against SEC DLs and it shows every time the play an SEC team.

Like most games with fairly equal teams, turnovers dictated the outcome. Iowa had 2 crippling turnovers, but MST trumped them with 3.
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I respect your thoughts on this. Put it this way....our great defense (and it is!) gave up 190 rushing yds. They gave up -15. On the other side, although you cant dismiss the 75 yd td, the rest of the game 139 passing yards for Iowa. Mississippi State had 152. IF they catch their TD pass or IF not flagged for holding on the other long pass play, they add 100 passing yards and at least 10 pts. IF and BUTS i understand, but you cant "unsee" those plays. Yes they held on one and the ball was tipped on the other. I understand. The margin for error is so small....i mean...

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proudhawkfan21 said:
I respect your thoughts on this. Put it this way....our great defense (and it is!) gave up 190 rushing yds. They gave up -15. On the other side, although you cant dismiss the 75 yd td, the rest of the game 139 passing yards for Iowa. Mississippi State had 152. IF they catch their TD pass or IF not flagged for holding on the other long pass play, they add 100 passing yards and at least 10 pts. IF and BUTS i understand, but you cant "unsee" those plays. Yes they held on one and the ball was tipped on the other. I understand. The margin for error is so small....i mean...

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Over 100 of those yards were from the quarterback, a lot on scrambles and 33 on a play where there were 5 missed tackles. It's not like they handed the ball off and their running backs ran all over us, Iowa held them to under 4 yards per carry.

Taking away this play or that play is not how it works. Iowa dominated them on defense much like their Dline dominated Iowa's running game. Return yards and penalty yards should also count and Iowa dominated both. Had that player not been holding the Iowa defender gets to the QB and that pass never happens.

This is not a game where you can look at the boxscore to get the story, you had to of watched the game. I watched the game and was pleased with the adjustments made on offense, they finished with negative yards because they mostly abandoned the run game after the first couple of series. A better running back would have gained more yardage, I saw at least 2 opportunities where the running back could have gained significant yards by bouncing to the outside and instead followed his blockers into a mess. Turns out that even on the dropped TD pass there was a defensive play made (the ball was tipped).

Other than the first quarter and the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter Iowa dominated MSU.
 
ssckelley said:
Over 100 of those yards were from the quarterback, a lot on scrambles and 33 on a play where there were 5 missed tackles. It's not like they handed the ball off and their running backs ran all over us, Iowa held them to under 4 yards per carry.

Taking away this play or that play is not how it works. Iowa dominated them on defense much like their Dline dominated Iowa's running game. Return yards and penalty yards should also count and Iowa dominated both. Had that player not been holding the Iowa defender gets to the QB and that pass never happens.

This is not a game where you can look at the boxscore to get the story, you had to of watched the game. I watched the game and was pleased with the adjustments made on offense, they finished with negative yards because they mostly abandoned the run game after the first couple of series. A better running back would have gained more yardage, I saw at least 2 opportunities where the running back could have gained significant yards by bouncing to the outside and instead followed his blockers into a mess. Turns out that even on the dropped TD pass there was a defensive play made (the ball was tipped).

Other than the first quarter and the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter Iowa dominated MSU.
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Yea you were watching a different game. Did you TIVO it? You should watch it again. We had some success in the 2nd qtr for a few minutes on offense.
 
ssckelley said:
Over 100 of those yards were from the quarterback, a lot on scrambles and 33 on a play where there were 5 missed tackles. It's not like they handed the ball off and their running backs ran all over us, Iowa held them to under 4 yards per carry.

Taking away this play or that play is not how it works. Iowa dominated them on defense much like their Dline dominated Iowa's running game. Return yards and penalty yards should also count and Iowa dominated both. Had that player not been holding the Iowa defender gets to the QB and that pass never happens.

This is not a game where you can look at the boxscore to get the story, you had to of watched the game. I watched the game and was pleased with the adjustments made on offense, they finished with negative yards because they mostly abandoned the run game after the first couple of series. A better running back would have gained more yardage, I saw at least 2 opportunities where the running back could have gained significant yards by bouncing to the outside and instead followed his blockers into a mess. Turns out that even on the dropped TD pass there was a defensive play made (the ball was tipped).

Other than the first quarter and the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter Iowa dominated MSU.
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Your argument is based off of....if we had a better rb? Well, we dont....so.....

We didnt tackle on the qb td run....so.....that happened. You dont "luck" into 190 rush yds or "abandon" the run for minus 15. Not when your pass game picked up 115 of its 214 on 3 plays, two on the last couple plays of the last drive of the game (40 yds).

So lets talk about iowa dominating. We then divide 85 yds (100 passing, -15 rush) over 60 minutes of football. We add in 90 yds of their penalties (dominating yds to be sure). We add in 1 for 11 on 3rd downs. And we get.....carry the one....Iowa controlled the game. Its simple math, we controlled the game.

Most of their 340 yds came on which play? Oh, the qb run where we missed 5 + tackles. Or the two plays that didnt happen, which arent in the 340, we clearly didnt witness those plays. And the zero penalties that we were called for, we probably didnt commit any penalties all game long.

You add it all up and we controlled the game. Look at it. Read above, all of that evidence. Good christmas! Have another spiked eggnog.
 
This season was a bad year for the da haters. Since 2002 Iowa is 17th in the P5 for wins. 22nd in all of FBS. That’s not settling for mediocre football, that’s consistently being one of the best in the game. Iowa is a program every single Iowa fan should be proud of.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Your argument is based off of....if we had a better rb? Well, we dont....so.....

We didnt tackle on the qb td run....so.....that happened. You dont "luck" into 190 rush yds or "abandon" the run for minus 15. Not when your pass game picked up 115 of its 214 on 3 plays, two on the last couple plays of the last drive of the game (40 yds).

So lets talk about iowa dominating. We then divide 85 yds (100 passing, -15 rush) over 60 minutes of football. We add in 90 yds of their penalties (dominating yds to be sure). We add in 1 for 11 on 3rd downs. And we get.....carry the one....Iowa controlled the game. Its simple math, we controlled the game.

Most of their 340 yds came on which play? Oh, the qb run where we missed 5 + tackles. Or the two plays that didnt happen, which arent in the 340, we clearly didnt witness those plays. And the zero penalties that we were called for, we probably didnt commit any penalties all game long.

You add it all up and we controlled the game. Look at it. Read above, all of that evidence. Good christmas! Have another spiked eggnog.
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All plays during a game count, trying to take away bad/good plays seems silly. Lets look at all the drives MSU had for what they actually were.

3 plays 5 yards - punt
10 plays to get 39 yards - FG
9 plays to get 23 yards - FG (set up by a short field)
5 plays 16 yards - Punt
3 plays -9 yards - Fumble
10 plays 29 yards - punt
3 plays -2 yards - end of half

So what possession in the first half scared you with MSU? I mean they had a decent 2nd drive, but they averaged 3.9 yards per play to get a FG. They got another field goal averaging 2.5 yards per play because they got lucky fielding a 12 yard punt.

Lets move onto the second half for MSU:

3 plays 6 yards TD (set up obviously by a pick)
1 play 33 yards TD (short field set up by ISM fumbling off his own player).
6 plays 17 yards INT
3 plays 5 yards punt
5 plays 49 yards FG (Basically 1 big play the 50 yard pass, and then they can't even score from the 1 yard line.)
4 plays 45 yards INT
3 plays 9 yards punt
9 plays 37 yards TO on downs


I was never worried the entire game that MSU could actually drive the ball more than 30-40 yards to score a TD. Most of their yardage was empty yardage. They couldn't sustain drives, they didn't run up and down the field at will on us. They gained a few yards, then either punted, or threw a pick, that is the fact of what happened, you can see it clear as day in their drive chart.
 
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