Bad Day for Da Haters

[uihawk82]

This season was a bad year for the da haters. Since 2002 Iowa is 17th in the P5 for wins. 22nd in all of FBS. That’s not settling for mediocre football, that’s consistently being one of the best in the game. Iowa is a program every single Iowa fan should be proud of.

Thanks much for the stats. I hadnt looked at the overall KF program like that in awhile. When talking about KF's tenure I always throw away his first two years, especially the first year.

 

[ssckelley]

Your argument is based off of....if we had a better rb? Well, we dont....so.....

We didnt tackle on the qb td run....so.....that happened. You dont "luck" into 190 rush yds or "abandon" the run for minus 15. Not when your pass game picked up 115 of its 214 on 3 plays, two on the last couple plays of the last drive of the game (40 yds).

So lets talk about iowa dominating. We then divide 85 yds (100 passing, -15 rush) over 60 minutes of football. We add in 90 yds of their penalties (dominating yds to be sure). We add in 1 for 11 on 3rd downs. And we get.....carry the one....Iowa controlled the game. Its simple math, we controlled the game.

Most of their 340 yds came on which play? Oh, the qb run where we missed 5 + tackles. Or the two plays that didnt happen, which arent in the 340, we clearly didnt witness those plays. And the zero penalties that we were called for, we probably didnt commit any penalties all game long.

You add it all up and we controlled the game. Look at it. Read above, all of that evidence. Good christmas! Have another spiked eggnog.

Again, watch the game instead of burying your head in the box score.

 

[DDThompson]

In talent -- MSU DL >>> Iowa OL

unit-to-unit comparisons were pretty much a push everywhere else.
TE/WR = Iowa > MSU
LB = MSU > Iowa

discipline = Iowa >>>>>>>>>>>>MSU

trash talking = MSU >>>>>>>>>>> Iowa


I've come to the conclusion that other teams trash talk Iowa, and it's done a lot to Iowa (and it makes me mad), is because Iowa is known for hard-hitting, hard-nosed, smash-mouth football. That style and reputation causes opponents' coaches to focus on and constantly reinforce that to their team =

"this is going to be a hard-hitting game"

is what the MSU coach said repeatedly at Q&As.
I'm sure it was said differently in the 4 weeks leading to this game.

Trash-talking is a symptom of getting jacked up to play physical with Iowa . . . undisciplined play can be a symptom, too.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Well, I guess it's confirmed that I am not a hater. Who knew?

This place wouldn't be as good without ya tk. Ultimately, that's all that matters.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Key to the game, IMHO, Stanley dropped in a couple of perfect TD passes.

Did it when he had to.

Not how many yards and TDs, but when.

The pass he hit Easley on for the first TD was very similiar to the one he missed Hockensen on at Penn State.

That somehow has not been brought up yet.

Like Penn State, Easley's catch was set up by play action. Stanley is one of the best in college football at selling play action.

That makes it even more paramount that we get the running game cranked up next year.

 

[revkev73]

The pass he hit Easley on for the first TD was very similiar to the one he missed Hockensen on at Penn State.

That somehow has not been brought up yet.

Like Penn State, Easley's catch was set up by play action. Stanley is one of the best in college football at selling play action.

That makes it even more paramount that we get the running game cranked up next year.

Wasn't there a wide open, game killer miss, from Stanley vs Wisconsin, sure fire TD, then the wheels came off?

 

[proudhawkfan21]

Again, watch the game instead of burying your head in the box score.

Nothing that you have said proves you are aware of anything to do with football. I coached hs varsity football for 10 yrs, it doesnt make me an expert but ive been on the winning end of games where we werent the most talented but took advantage of opportunities. Nothing that you've presented indicates that Iowa is better except the scoreboard. We agree on that.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

All plays during a game count, trying to take away bad/good plays seems silly. Lets look at all the drives MSU had for what they actually were.

3 plays 5 yards - punt
10 plays to get 39 yards - FG
9 plays to get 23 yards - FG (set up by a short field)
5 plays 16 yards - Punt
3 plays -9 yards - Fumble
10 plays 29 yards - punt
3 plays -2 yards - end of half

So what possession in the first half scared you with MSU? I mean they had a decent 2nd drive, but they averaged 3.9 yards per play to get a FG. They got another field goal averaging 2.5 yards per play because they got lucky fielding a 12 yard punt.

Lets move onto the second half for MSU:

3 plays 6 yards TD (set up obviously by a pick)
1 play 33 yards TD (short field set up by ISM fumbling off his own player).
6 plays 17 yards INT
3 plays 5 yards punt
5 plays 49 yards FG (Basically 1 big play the 50 yard pass, and then they can't even score from the 1 yard line.)
4 plays 45 yards INT
3 plays 9 yards punt
9 plays 37 yards TO on downs


I was never worried the entire game that MSU could actually drive the ball more than 30-40 yards to score a TD. Most of their yardage was empty yardage. They couldn't sustain drives, they didn't run up and down the field at will on us. They gained a few yards, then either punted, or threw a pick, that is the fact of what happened, you can see it clear as day in their drive chart.

Post Iowa's drive charts......you cant hide from the numbers...if you think their's looks bad.....good lord....you showed half the story

 

[proudhawkfan21]

All plays during a game count, trying to take away bad/good plays seems silly. Lets look at all the drives MSU had for what they actually were.

3 plays 5 yards - punt
10 plays to get 39 yards - FG
9 plays to get 23 yards - FG (set up by a short field)
5 plays 16 yards - Punt
3 plays -9 yards - Fumble
10 plays 29 yards - punt
3 plays -2 yards - end of half

So what possession in the first half scared you with MSU? I mean they had a decent 2nd drive, but they averaged 3.9 yards per play to get a FG. They got another field goal averaging 2.5 yards per play because they got lucky fielding a 12 yard punt.

Lets move onto the second half for MSU:

3 plays 6 yards TD (set up obviously by a pick)
1 play 33 yards TD (short field set up by ISM fumbling off his own player).
6 plays 17 yards INT
3 plays 5 yards punt
5 plays 49 yards FG (Basically 1 big play the 50 yard pass, and then they can't even score from the 1 yard line.)
4 plays 45 yards INT
3 plays 9 yards punt
9 plays 37 yards TO on downs


I was never worried the entire game that MSU could actually drive the ball more than 30-40 yards to score a TD. Most of their yardage was empty yardage. They couldn't sustain drives, they didn't run up and down the field at will on us. They gained a few yards, then either punted, or threw a pick, that is the fact of what happened, you can see it clear as day in their drive chart.

No one was ever in fear of their offense, and it out-gained us significantly. They settled for fg's, good on Iowa. As i said, we made the plays when we needed. So did Northwestern. So did Wisconsin. So did Purdue. So did Penn State. I think we were better than all of those teams. Good lord, we didnt win? No way! That cant happen. Lol

 

[ssckelley]

Nothing that you have said proves you are aware of anything to do with football. I coached hs varsity football for 10 yrs, it doesnt make me an expert but ive been on the winning end of games where we werent the most talented but took advantage of opportunities. Nothing that you've presented indicates that Iowa is better except the scoreboard. We agree on that.

Wow, that surprised the hell out of me. You have coached football and yet still draw conclusions based on the stats of the game? If you've coached football then you should know better then to do that!

 

[proudhawkfan21]

Wow, that surprised the hell out of me. You have coached football and yet still draw conclusions based on the stats of the game? If you've coached football then you should know better than to do that!

This makes no sense. Im not drawing conclusions. I watched the game. I evaluated what i saw. I feel MSU is the better team. Why are you so hurt by that? Move along.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

Wow, that surprised the hell out of me. You have coached football and yet still draw conclusions based on the stats of the game? If you've coached football then you should know better then to do that!

The stats are an unbiased indicator of success moving the football. One for eleven on third downs, that is just "false" fact? Minus 15 yds rushing, i suppose that didnt happen Mr Trump? I understand that stats dont decide who wins a football game, but in this case they do reveal quite a lot. They reflect the fact that Iowa struggled offensively and that they didnt. 340+ yds is a decent out-put for a game against Iowa. We made the plays when we needed to....how many times didnt we this year? Answer, 4 times. So we got it right this time. Sweet!

 

[ssckelley]

This makes no sense. Im not drawing conclusions. I watched the game. I evaluated what i saw. I feel MSU is the better team. Why are you so hurt by that? Move along.

This is drawing conclusions based on the stats:

Final stats and the eye test says they played better. If you took out their turnovers....they probably win. Im not saying they are better....but its hard to say we would win by 20 if you wont say they win by 20 if they eliminate their turnovers. They won yardage by a haul, lost penalties by a haul, won time of possession and first downs comfortably. Our defense and a handful of good offensive plays carried the day. Our offense would struggle to hit 17 without the help of the defense.

Then you turned around and asked ME to draw conclusions based on the box score.

Yes, I agree we should both move along.

 

[ssckelley]

The stats are an unbiased indicator of success moving the football. One for eleven on third downs, that is just "false" fact? Minus 15 yds rushing, i suppose that didnt happen Mr Trump? I understand that stats dont decide who wins a football game, but in this case they do reveal quite a lot. They reflect the fact that Iowa struggled offensively and that they didnt. 340+ yds is a decent out-put for a game against Iowa. We made the plays when we needed to....how many times didnt we this year? Answer, 4 times. So we got it right this time. Sweet!

"Mr Trump"? If all else fails start calling the other person names.

That's quite the example you are setting Mr "I coached hs varsity football for 10 yrs".

With that we are done here.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The pass he hit Easley on for the first TD was very similiar to the one he missed Hockensen on at Penn State.

That somehow has not been brought up yet.

Like Penn State, Easley's catch was set up by play action. Stanley is one of the best in college football at selling play action.

That makes it even more paramount that we get the running game cranked up next year.

Yeah sorta kinda. But the formations were totally different. The in game situation was pretty different the one to TJ was on a 3rd and short from like a 3 TE set. The one to Easley was a 1st down and first play of a series from a 3 Wr set. To me it was similar in that they both came off of play action and were really wide open. But that's about where the similarities end.

 

[BVHawk95]

Yeah sorta kinda. But the formations were totally different. The in game situation was pretty different the one to TJ was on a 3rd and short from like a 3 TE set. The one to Easley was a 1st down and first play of a series from a 3 Wr set. To me it was similar in that they both came off of play action and were really wide open. But that's about where the similarities end.

TJ was right in line with Stanley, which, coupled with NS having a really bad day, I think threw his aim off as he could not as accurately place the ball in front of TJ. Easley was at an angle and running slightly toward's the sideline, allowing Nate ample room to see the field and give Easley a chance to run under it.

If anything, it was a similar route to Easley's TD against PSU last year, with a slight stop and go thrown in.

 

[proudhawkfan21]

"Mr Trump"? If all else fails start calling the other person names.

That's quite the example you are setting Mr "I coached hs varsity football for 10 yrs".

With that we are done here.

You were done a long time ago. When you stop hiding behind "cuz i said so" and come up with actual fact that points out anything other than we were fortunate and opportunistic, it will be an actual discussion. Im sharing an opinion. You are trying to tell me that i cant feel that way and that im wrong and yet you dont share any info to the contrary other than the scoreboard. If you are willing to say that Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue and Northwestern are all better than Iowa i will respect you a whole lot more. Otherwise, respect that my opinion is different than yours and get back to burning books and censoring opinions you dont agree with lol agree to disagree (cant handle that request in 3.....2......1......)

 

[proudhawkfan21]

"Mr Trump"? If all else fails start calling the other person names.

That's quite the example you are setting Mr "I coached hs varsity football for 10 yrs".

With that we are done here.

And bottom line....i did.....so........how was Nintendo super tecmo coaching domination? I coached under a state championship iowa hall of fame coach who coached under another hall of fame coach. Doesnt make me a great coach but i was part of the program and contributed greatly to the sustained success including the championship. Niemo's dad was one of the hall of fame coaches. I certainly am qualified to give an opinion on football technique, scheme and general evaluation having graded positions play by play for 10 yrs. Does it make me Lombardi, far from it, but it gives some level of working knowledge and experience. What is your level of knowledge?

 

[deanvogs]

I respect your opinion. I feel 6-4 MSU. I dont think they are good and we are bad. I just think they are better, more talent. If it was 100 games i might say 55-45 MSU. We didnt get called for a single penalty. I doubt that happens more than once or twice in 100 games and any down and distance needing 20 for a first down is tough against that defense.

No one was ever in fear of their offense, and it out-gained us significantly. They settled for fg's, good on Iowa. As i said, we made the plays when we needed. So did Northwestern. So did Wisconsin. So did Purdue. So did Penn State. I think we were better than all of those teams. Good lord, we didnt win? No way! That cant happen. Lol

Why are you on the warpath about this? You have said you think MSU would win 55% of the time, and I said 50% of the time. I would think with the warpath you are on, that you would think MSU would win 75% of the time they played Iowa.

 

[ssckelley]

I certainly am qualified to give an opinion on football technique, scheme and general evaluation having graded positions play by play for 10 yrs.

Then do THAT instead of your bullshit box score analysis!