proudhawkfan21
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I cant continue this lol Stats dont matter, they simply reflect what happened... but neither does evidence, theres a dead guy no matter what... but its better to understand what happened for all involved.
Bad Day for Da Haters
- Thread starter deanvogs
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proudhawkfan21
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Im simply responding to each post
proudhawkfan21
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Im a Hawkeye luva....mr luva boom boom....so this feels like attempted cannibalism
I mentioned it after the PSU game that when the receiver is running directly inline away from the QB it is hard to guage their running velocity so routes should have some angle to them across the QBs field of view. Thanks for also being smart enough to notice this
deanvogs
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I'm going to Bump this considering all results are now in for 2018. Iowa sits tied at the 11th most wins of all P5 schools over the last 4 years.
Bama 55 wins
Clemson 55 wins
OSU 48 wins
OU 46 wins
Wisconsin 42 wins
Georgia 42 wins
Stanford 39 wins
Washington 39 wins
Michigan 38 wins
Penn St. 38 wins
Iowa 37 wins
Oklahoma St. 37 wins
Washington St. 37 wins
After the 2014 season I was calling for Kirk's head because his recents results showed he DESERVED to be on the hot seat. From 2011-2014 Kirk's team won 26 games, that was good for was about 40th in wins for all P5 teams. That is when he DESERVED to be fired.
I think Da Haters actually believe Iowa is still around the 35th-40th best P5 program right now. I really think they are so freaking clueless or still so mad about the 2011-2014 run that they actually think this. I think that Da Haters are clueless that Iowa is actually 11th of all P5 teams in wins over the last 4 years, so I figured it is my duty to present some actual facts to them on where Iowa sits compared to other P5 programs right now.
Before they post it, I'm guessing Da Haters will say some of the following:
-Derrrrr, da 2015 season doesn't count.
-Derrrrr, da Hawks only beat non P5 teams
-Derrrrr, da Hawks suck because they haven't won a title
Just a guess, but those seem to be Da Haters popular arguments.
Bama 55 wins
Clemson 55 wins
OSU 48 wins
OU 46 wins
Wisconsin 42 wins
Georgia 42 wins
Stanford 39 wins
Washington 39 wins
Michigan 38 wins
Penn St. 38 wins
Iowa 37 wins
Oklahoma St. 37 wins
Washington St. 37 wins
After the 2014 season I was calling for Kirk's head because his recents results showed he DESERVED to be on the hot seat. From 2011-2014 Kirk's team won 26 games, that was good for was about 40th in wins for all P5 teams. That is when he DESERVED to be fired.
I think Da Haters actually believe Iowa is still around the 35th-40th best P5 program right now. I really think they are so freaking clueless or still so mad about the 2011-2014 run that they actually think this. I think that Da Haters are clueless that Iowa is actually 11th of all P5 teams in wins over the last 4 years, so I figured it is my duty to present some actual facts to them on where Iowa sits compared to other P5 programs right now.
Before they post it, I'm guessing Da Haters will say some of the following:
-Derrrrr, da 2015 season doesn't count.
-Derrrrr, da Hawks only beat non P5 teams
-Derrrrr, da Hawks suck because they haven't won a title
Just a guess, but those seem to be Da Haters popular arguments.
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Doesn't count, they play in the B1G West, the worst conference that has ever existed in the history of college football. I haven't double-checked this, but I am pretty sure every conference game Iowa plays features a B1G West opponent, and I am pretty sure no B1G West team has ever won a game except when matched up against another B1G West team. Iowa sucks, it's science.
(I had to add the emoji because you took my last reply seriously)
Doesn't count, they play in the B1G West, the worst conference that has ever existed in the history of college football. I haven't double-checked this, but I am pretty sure every conference game Iowa plays features a B1G West opponent, and I am pretty sure no B1G West team has ever won a game except when matched up against another B1G West team. Iowa sucks, it's science.
(I had to add the emoji because you took my last reply seriously)
What we all want are those 5 extra wins that would get us in the Wisconsin range. The fans that want KF fired see that the team had the potential to get those 5 extra wins, they think it is unacceptable that said potential was not realized, and they think that any random coach off the street could do as well. What they don't appreciate is that over the last 4 years KF has built a team AT IOWA! that has top-10 potential, and that is damn hard to do. Yeah, we all wish that we had beaten NDSU and NW in 2016, PSU/MSU/Purdue in 2017, and Wisc/PSU/NW/Purdue in 2018. Those were all winnable games. We win half of them, we are equal to Wisconsin.
Can the current staff make the changes to win those games more consistently? Hopefully, they are certainly trying to adapt. I understand if any fan is skeptical.
Could a new staff continue to assemble teams at Iowa with top-10 potential? Probably, if it is the right hire (40 years of stability helps). But that is a pretty damn high bar, and to think that just anyone is going to clear it is naive. I firmly believe that if the program is going to move to the next level, it is NOT going to be by firing a coach who has matched a historical high-water mark for the program in hopes of a savior. It is going to be by capitalizing on the success and stability KF has enjoyed, making the right hire when the time comes, and continuing momentum.
BigD
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Annual salary 4.5 million
Iowa head coach from 1999 to present (Twenty years)
Head coaching record
Overall 164–122
Bowls 8–8
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
2 Big Ten (2002, 2004) in twenty years (16 years at a top ten salary)
1 Big Ten West Division (2015)
His offenses schemes are painful to watch and his defense are painful to opponents (smash mouth, YEeeZ!!!) I like him over all. I am disappointed to realize he will never get the Iowa football program to the promised land. To be fair few programs do get to the promised land.
I am ready for a change because it really is difficult to get up for next years 7-5 regular season record or 8-4 if you have four or five NFL level players.
The idea of competition is to win it all or at least beat out and win your own division. A division that seems under the control of National Power House ......................... drum roll please.....................WISCONSIN,(I could puke cheese).
Kirk appears to be a good family man, kind and generous to the children’s hospital, and he takes time time sign footballs for terminally ill children. You got to respect and admire that. He also shows a lot of emotion for his players after hard fought wins. You have to respect that too. Along with his program being clean along with teaching responsibility and accountability to his players. All good.
Just wish he could raise the bar a little more in his last few years and put it to the cheeseheads and compete in the conference title games a little more often. He really couldn’t ask for a more easier power five division to be in to accomplish this in.
Iowa head coach from 1999 to present (Twenty years)
Head coaching record
Overall 164–122
Bowls 8–8
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
2 Big Ten (2002, 2004) in twenty years (16 years at a top ten salary)
1 Big Ten West Division (2015)
His offenses schemes are painful to watch and his defense are painful to opponents (smash mouth, YEeeZ!!!) I like him over all. I am disappointed to realize he will never get the Iowa football program to the promised land. To be fair few programs do get to the promised land.
I am ready for a change because it really is difficult to get up for next years 7-5 regular season record or 8-4 if you have four or five NFL level players.
The idea of competition is to win it all or at least beat out and win your own division. A division that seems under the control of National Power House ......................... drum roll please.....................WISCONSIN,(I could puke cheese).
Kirk appears to be a good family man, kind and generous to the children’s hospital, and he takes time time sign footballs for terminally ill children. You got to respect and admire that. He also shows a lot of emotion for his players after hard fought wins. You have to respect that too. Along with his program being clean along with teaching responsibility and accountability to his players. All good.
Just wish he could raise the bar a little more in his last few years and put it to the cheeseheads and compete in the conference title games a little more often. He really couldn’t ask for a more easier power five division to be in to accomplish this in.
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Totally respect that opinion. I happen to think things are trending up, but I am also overly optimistic. If you have KF-fatigue and are ready for a fresh start, I understand, and I just hope when they make that next hire they have their shit together.
Out of curiosity, if Iowa is 7-5 next year, would you be in favor of a "forced resignation", or are you ready to let KF ride into the sunset on his own terms (while you hope he does it sooner rather than later)?
BigD
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Let him ride into the sunset at this point. However I am not a big fan of his son taking over the program, UNLESS he also starts to ROCK IT while Kirk is here.
hawkdrummer1
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In other words.... let's put a little more emphasis on "Win" and stop using "do things the right way" and "graduate" as a justification for "good but not great".
I totally understand this perspective as well.
While I think our offense is making strides, I'm starting to believe that Greg Davis was such a huge mismatch that it left us in a hole for a period. Some of the schemes and concepts Brian has brought from the Patriots intrigue me as well, we just need to apply them more consistently. Drake Kulick raves about BF's football knowledge on the Washed Up Walkons podcast (which I highly recommend), so it is a little frustrating to see the results on the field not match up sometimes.
My biggest thing with KF is a) the guy is not worth hating due to his success and his character, and b) most of my gripes with him can be traced back to Barta being a bumbling idiot.
Ferentz's huge contract and buyout were given to him by Barta without issue, something any competent AD would have at least questioned. Should Ferentz be gone for any reason, the person in charge of hiring his successor would be Gary Barta, which terrifies me that we'd get stuck with an impotent coach with an ironclad contract.
ChosenChildren
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His head coaching record at Iowa is now 152 W 101 L I believe, not 164-122. You are including his record during his brief Maine tenure, which means absolutely nothing in this analysis.
I think a more important analysis is to compare Kirk's winning percentage to Hayden's. Hayden was at 615 for his career after 20 years; Kirk is at 60%. Pretty much the same.
Some other comparables:
Bowl wins: Kirk 8; Hayden 6.
Big Ten titles (conference or division): Hayden 3; Kirk 2+1
BCS bowl games: Kirk 3; Hayden 3
BCS bowl wins: Kirk 1; Hayden 0
Years finishing in AP Top 10: Kirk 5; Hayden 3
Years finishing in AP Top 25: Hayden 10; Kirk 7
It has been a pretty solid last 40 years.
HawkGold
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Derrrrrr are you a fickle luvr or a bi polar hater?
You are also the same at posting. Are you a nice natured jerk or an asshole nice guy?
deanvogs
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Oh hey Gold. Got any new Iowa conspiracy theories you can hit us up with? Iowa programs being dirty, Kirk Ferentz selling starting spot, what else you got? I'm sure whatever the new conspiracy is that it will be self evident and require no actual factual support by you.
HawkGold
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Answer da question o great Deanno.
MoseSchrute
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This is the University of Iowa we are talking about, so good luck with that.
