2019 Tyreke Locure

[ArvadaHawk]

Here are some interesting stats if you're interested:

4A Career Points:

1. Joe Wieskamp - 2,376
2. Jeff Horner - 2,194
3. Dan Tillo - 2,016
4. Dean Oliver - 1,994
5. Matt Gatens - 1,928
6. Ray Fontana - 1,899
7. AJ Green - 1,792
8. Harrison Barnes - 1,787
9. Fred Hoiberg - 1,759 (3 varsity seasons) Did not know that...
10. Garrett Sturtz - 1,746
11. Jason Bohannon - 1,679
12. Ricky Davis - 1,619
13. Hurl Beechum - 1,593
14. Jordan Bohannon - 1,591
15. Tyreke Locure - 1,583


4A Points In A Season:

1. Ray Fontana - 829 in 1950
2. Joe Wieskamp - 803 in 2018
3. Garrett Sturtz - 764 in 2018
4. Jeff Horner - 741 in 2002
4. Dean Oliver - 741 in 1997
6. Dennis Shaffer - 732 in 1971
7. Marcus Paige - 729 in 2012
8. Fred Hoiberg - 723 in 1991
9. Jason Bohannon - 722 in 2006
10. Hurl Beechum - 720 in 1991
11. Harrison Barnes - 705 in 2010
12. Brian Westlake - 686 in 1987
13. Tyreke Locure - 675 in 2018


4A Career Steals:

1. Tyreke Locure - 246
1. Hurl Beechum - 246
3. Jeff Horner - 232
4. Marcus Paige - 210


4A Steals In A Season:

1. Creon Reed - 95 in 2009
2. Tyreke Locure - 94 in 2018
3. Wes Washpun - 92 in 2011
4. Nick Nordgren - 87 in 2003


4A Career Assists:

1. Jeff Horner - 760
2. Tyreke Locure - 509
3. Kaylon Williams - 508
4. Kenny Clay - 473
5. Connor McCaffery - 451
6. Dean Oliver - 437


4A Assists In A Season:

1. Jeff Horner - 210 in 2000
2. Tom Hurn - 206 in 1970
3. Barron Darnell - 177 in 1984
4. Tyreke Locure - 176 in 2016
4. Kenny Clay - 176 in 2017
6. Kenny Clay - 173 in 2018
7. Tyreke Locure - 167 in 2017
8. Tyreke Locure - 166 in 2018

Des Moines North played 36 games last season. Locure has a chance to become the all time leader in almost all of those categories. I think the assists will be a bit difficult as he will more than likely be the teams main scoring threat.

tk, have you looked at Noah Hutchins video yet? i like this kid also. he's out of NY and from Francis' back yard.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...209FAF200E825C7C9FD2209FAF200E825C7&FORM=VIRE

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Here are some interesting stats if you're interested:

4A Career Points:

1. Joe Wieskamp - 2,376
2. Jeff Horner - 2,194
3. Dan Tillo - 2,016
4. Dean Oliver - 1,994
5. Matt Gatens - 1,928
6. Ray Fontana - 1,899
7. AJ Green - 1,792
8. Harrison Barnes - 1,787
9. Fred Hoiberg - 1,759 (3 varsity seasons) Did not know that...
10. Garrett Sturtz - 1,746
11. Jason Bohannon - 1,679
12. Ricky Davis - 1,619
13. Hurl Beechum - 1,593
14. Jordan Bohannon - 1,591
15. Tyreke Locure - 1,583


4A Points In A Season:

1. Ray Fontana - 829 in 1950
2. Joe Wieskamp - 803 in 2018
3. Garrett Sturtz - 764 in 2018
4. Jeff Horner - 741 in 2002
4. Dean Oliver - 741 in 1997
6. Dennis Shaffer - 732 in 1971
7. Marcus Paige - 729 in 2012
8. Fred Hoiberg - 723 in 1991
9. Jason Bohannon - 722 in 2006
10. Hurl Beechum - 720 in 1991
11. Harrison Barnes - 705 in 2010
12. Brian Westlake - 686 in 1987
13. Tyreke Locure - 675 in 2018


4A Career Steals:

1. Tyreke Locure - 246
1. Hurl Beechum - 246
3. Jeff Horner - 232
4. Marcus Paige - 210


4A Steals In A Season:

1. Creon Reed - 95 in 2009
2. Tyreke Locure - 94 in 2018
3. Wes Washpun - 92 in 2011
4. Nick Nordgren - 87 in 2003


4A Career Assists:

1. Jeff Horner - 760
2. Tyreke Locure - 509
3. Kaylon Williams - 508
4. Kenny Clay - 473
5. Connor McCaffery - 451
6. Dean Oliver - 437


4A Assists In A Season:

1. Jeff Horner - 210 in 2000
2. Tom Hurn - 206 in 1970
3. Barron Darnell - 177 in 1984
4. Tyreke Locure - 176 in 2016
4. Kenny Clay - 176 in 2017
6. Kenny Clay - 173 in 2018
7. Tyreke Locure - 167 in 2017
8. Tyreke Locure - 166 in 2018

Two DSM North kids tied at the top in steals. That's pretty crazy. Not for long though Locure will make that record almost untouchable when he's all said and done. To say we could use some of that would be an understatement

 

[SteveGarvey1]

do you mean Locure? Yeah, I agree. I mean, he is small but his potential based of his skill set, to me, is astronomically high. If he was 3 inches taller, he'd be hounded by everyone. now, having said all of that, there must be a reason or reasons beyond talent level why he isn't being sought after. i could speculate, but won't. if this kid is a good enough student, any person can mature. i see a lot of hot dog in him, but hell, he looks like he's bored half the time based on the competition.

how are AAU teams selected, by the way? are there selected, are there tryouts? I really don't know.

He'll start getting P-6 offers within a few months. For one thing, once schools realize they're not getting some of their other pg targets, they'll hone in on guys like TL, who's only a marginal P-6 candidate because of his height, as others have mentioned.

 

[tksirius]

Des Moines North played 36 games last season. Locure has a chance to become the all time leader in almost all of those categories. I think the assists will be a bit difficult as he will more than likely be the teams main scoring threat.

tk, have you looked at Noah Hutchins video yet? i like this kid also. he's out of NY and from Francis' back yard.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...209FAF200E825C7C9FD2209FAF200E825C7&FORM=VIRE

Yeah, he looks pretty good. Another head scratcher based on video I guess. Do you know what kind of stats he's had in HS?

 

[tksirius]

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that CMac is #5 in career assists.

 

[Robowe]

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that CMac is #5 in career assists.

I am surprised no one has pointed out that Locure had the most turnovers in 4A last year too.

To compare, Locure had 83 turnovers and Carton had 60. And Weiskamp had 58. Now, I know that these stats are tough to compare, especially in HS. To get someone with Locure's skills (speed, penetration, passing, steals, etc.), there may be some turnovers as well. I believe that can be coached if determined if an issue.

 

[tksirius]

I am surprised no one has pointed out that Locure had the most turnovers in 4A last year too.

To compare, Locure had 83 turnovers and Carton had 60. And Weiskamp had 58. Now, I know that these stats are tough to compare, especially in HS. To get someone with Locure's skills (speed, penetration, passing, steals, etc.), there may be some turnovers as well. I believe that can be coached if determined if an issue.

Yet, Locure had an assist to turnover ratio of 2, while Carton had 1.06 & Wieskamp had .63.
Essentially, Carton had just as many turnovers as assists and Wieskamp had significantly more turnovers than assists. Meanwhile, Locure had twice as many assists as turnovers. We're talking about the point guard position here, folks.

 

[tksirius]

Yet, Locure had an assist to turnover ratio of 2, while Carton had 1.06 & Wieskamp had .63.
Essentially, Carton had just as many turnovers as assists and Wieskamp had significantly more turnovers than assists. Meanwhile, Locure had twice as many assists as turnovers. We're talking about the point guard position here, folks.

Just to expound on that...

Locure averaged 6.91 assists and 3.45 turnovers
Carton averaged 3.36 assists and 3.15 turnovers
Wieskamp averaged 1.54 assists and 2.41 turnovers

 

[Robowe]

Yet, Locure had an assist to turnover ratio of 2, while Carton had 1.06 & Wieskamp had .63.
Essentially, Carton had just as many turnovers as assists and Wieskamp had significantly more turnovers than assists. Meanwhile, Locure had twice as many assists as turnovers. We're talking about the point guard position here, folks.

Agreed. To compare with two other recent HS guards:

Bohannon - 2015/2016 - 58 assists/39 turnovers (1,49 ratio)
2014/2015 - 97 assists/55 turnovers (1.76 ratio)
2013/2014 - 77 assists/49 turnovers (1.57 ratio(
2012/2013 - 30 assists/44 turnovers (wasn't primary PG)

C. McCaffery - 2016/2017 - 96 assists/46 turnovers (2.09 ratio)
2015/2016 - 117 assists/45 turnovers (2.6 ratio)
2014/2015 - 110 assists/52 turnovers (2.12 ratio)
2013/2014 - 128 assists/52 turnovers (2.46 ratio)

Devontae Lane (also on IC West) - 2016/2017 - 103 assists/39 turnovers (2.64 ratio)
2015/2016 - 65 assists/41 turnovers
2014/2015 - 65 assists/40 turnovers
2013/2014 - 19 assists/11 turnovers

 

[BryceC]

He'll start getting P-6 offers within a few months.

People have been saying this for literally years. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[tksirius]

Agreed. To compare with two other recent HS guards:

Bohannon - 2015/2016 - 58 assists/39 turnovers (1,49 ratio)
2014/2015 - 97 assists/55 turnovers (1.76 ratio)
2013/2014 - 77 assists/49 turnovers (1.57 ratio(
2012/2013 - 30 assists/44 turnovers (wasn't primary PG)

C. McCaffery - 2016/2017 - 96 assists/46 turnovers (2.09 ratio)
2015/2016 - 117 assists/45 turnovers (2.6 ratio)
2014/2015 - 110 assists/52 turnovers (2.12 ratio)
2013/2014 - 128 assists/52 turnovers (2.46 ratio)

Devontae Lane (also on IC West) - 2016/2017 - 103 assists/39 turnovers (2.64 ratio)
2015/2016 - 65 assists/41 turnovers
2014/2015 - 65 assists/40 turnovers
2013/2014 - 19 assists/11 turnovers

CMac was/is a really decent passer and had/has the ability to find guys at the right time, at least on his high school footage. I'm not so certain on his scoring potential, but his passing and running an offense ability should be just fine.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Yeah, he looks pretty good. Another head scratcher based on video I guess. Do you know what kind of stats he's had in HS?

i actually don't. I didn't get that gene like you did. but i just use the eyeball test and try to extrapolate into the B1G to see if he is at that level and I believe he is. He's a really good finisher and can dish in the lane. that's huge for a pg.

 

[tksirius]

i actually don't. I didn't get that gene like you did. but i just use the eyeball test and try to extrapolate into the B1G to see if he is at that level and I believe he is. He's a really good finisher and can dish in the lane. that's huge for a pg.

Yep, I actually see a lot of similarities with him and Locure. It'll be interesting to follow both of these guys in college wherever they end up.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

People have been saying this for literally years. I'll believe it when I see it.

Well when Fran doesn't get Carton or Terry, he'll be getting at least one P-6 offer.

 

[HawkeyeDug]

Just to expound on that...

Locure averaged 6.91 assists and 3.45 turnovers
Carton averaged 3.36 assists and 3.15 turnovers
Wieskamp averaged 1.54 assists and 2.41 turnovers

It isn't at all fair to compare Wieskamp though. He was double or triple teamed every possession. He held the ball more than the other two and he isn't a point guard. You could probably take away half of his turnovers from simply his teammates inability to catch a pass and quadruple his assists if you improved his teammates ability to score baskets to even mediocre levels.

 

[ibahawkeye]

I still question leadership and attitude and think these 2 factors could make Locure a risk.

 

[tksirius]

I still question leadership and attitude and think these 2 factors could make Locure a risk.

At least he hasn't lied about his HS stats to any reporters...

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I still question leadership and attitude and think these 2 factors could make Locure a risk.

I don't know if you're right or not. I'd say there is "something" but again, with the talent that he has, you need to really consider his potential to mature. He looks, sometimes, like he's so far above everyone else that he's bored. Perhaps that is being misread? i don't know. but the kid can flat score at the same level of competition the Wieskamp played and Locure has a legit chance to pass JW as the all time leading scorer in 4A hoops. So, I believe his talent is real and should be seriously considered.

 

[ibahawkeye]

At least he hasn't lied about his HS stats to any reporters...

The USA team probably read that article and was the difference and why all the scouts were raving about him.

I don’t know how anybody at this point could make the case for Locure over DJ.

I think your taking one quote too seriously. Maybe it was an honest mistake. We’re talking about a high school kid being interviewed by reporters.

My take is that I don’t want Locure at all. Just one opinion based on my very limited experiences and I just don’t get the vibe that he’s a guy good for your program.

 

[tksirius]

The USA team probably read that article and was the difference and why all the scouts were raving about him.

I don’t know how anybody at this point could make the case for Locure over DJ.

I think your taking one quote too seriously. Maybe it was an honest mistake. We’re talking about a high school kid being interviewed by reporters.

My take is that I don’t want Locure at all. Just one opinion based on my very limited experiences and I just don’t get the vibe that he’s a guy good for your program.

You are one of the people that would be going on about how this is a perfect example of why Locure has questionable character if he were the one that lied to the reporter. All the rumors about Locure having trouble in class and with "drugs" were just that; rumors with no evidence. That was perfectly fine around these parts, but pointing out an obvious blatant lie from DJ is "taking one quote too seriously."
It's fine if you think DJ is a better prospect than Locure based on your "very limited experiences" and "vibes" you get, but there is huge double standard on this board when it comes to Locure and Carton.