next yrs bball team...what i think it will look like

Foval21

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i am trying to piece together from what i have seen of recruits on video and live and the current players that will be back next year what we will look like. and my take is the record will not be great but we will really like the product and the path as the players get older.

lets start with the starting 5. i see it as gessell at the point, oglesby at the 2, marble at the 3, basabe at the 4, and woodbury at the 5. so 2 frosh, 1 soph, and 2 jr. i really like white as our 6th man so i dont have him in the 5 but i could see it happen.

i also think that we will see two things get much better next year. the defense and the rotation. i believe fran's d philosophy is built around length. something we didnt have when he got here and now are getting when you look at marble and white and olesani, etc. my main complaint is the lack of a good rotation from my view but i think that is because of the lack of point guard depth and next yr that will be taken care of because by my count we will have 2 true pts and 3 that handle good enough to play it if needed (marble, oglesby, ingram).

now for individual player thoughts.

gessell - this kid is a flat out scorer and creator. the weakness ive heard is that he isnt a great defender but he looks long for his height. finally will have a true pt that we know what we are getting. hopefully he can adapt to college quick cause pg is the hardest position for frosh imo.

oglesby - dead eye dick type shooter and seems to be able to take it to the hole better than gatens. best thing for him that gatens didnt have is he wont have to be #1 scorer and will be able to move and find holes and knock it down as the secondary option.

marble - can finally play his natural position. we will see him ave 17 pts next yr and it will be great. love his game and pg has just made him a better ball handler.

basabe - dont put wt on him he is good where he is. i think he comes to play going 10 and 10 to average a double double.

woodbury - this kid has skill at 7 ft. he can move. toughest thing is can he get used to the physicality of the college game quick. i see him going 6 pts 8 rebs.

white - 6 man is awesome when they average 14 pts and bring that energy. he is a guy i could see starting at 3 or 4 but then you lose either ogelsby or woodbury and his energy off the bench is great.

mccabe - will be a solid sub for the 4 and 5 spots as a smart player who has added bulk and become a lot tougher down low than i thought he would.

olesani - this kid is a straight up athlete. i see him coming in at the 5 and just blocking shots and rebounding like an animal. reggie evans-esque. hope he develops cause he is raw in bball skill.

may - defensive stopper on the wing and needs to buy into the spot because he is athletic and strong enough to be great at it. could bring similar energy as white only on the defensive end.

ingram and clemmons (sp?) - might have mixed these 2 up on who is who. i believe ingram is kind of the combo guard that is pretty stocky and clemmons is more of a defensive pg. both will give great depth at the 1 and 2 spots.

meyer - adds depth at the 4 and 5 but probably needs to add the most bulk wise because i dont think he has white's skill set to play so thin.

depth is a key. and we will finally have it so we can press and not get tired and if it isnt somebody's day we can get them out of there. think about 5 guys who can man the point. 3 guys can play sg. 4 guys can play the 3. 4-5 can play the 4 and 4-5 can play the 5. think of the lineups we could have and match ups we could finally match up against small and big teams.

i really like what fran is building and see ncaa tourney when this incoming class are sophs.

thoughts?
 


I would guess White or McCabe would start over Woodbury. But 'starting' in college basketball is one of the more useless titles.
 


starting is really a useless title the way iowa is starting to play because everyone seems to be rotating in every few minutes.
 


next year we will have the versatility to play and matchup with tall and quick teams. so the style of play of the teams we play may dictate who starts so we may not see a set starting 5 every game.
 


ingram is gonna surprise people. I work with someone that grew up with his family. He will not shut up about how good he is. And talks about how he really allows the game to come to him, instead of forcing a lot of shots. So he may never get the stats that will make him a huge recruit...But his IQ and defense will make an immediate impact.
 


ingram is gonna surprise people. I work with someone that grew up with his family. He will not shut up about how good he is. And talks about how he really allows the game to come to him, instead of forcing a lot of shots. So he may never get the stats that will make him a huge recruit...But his IQ and defense will make an immediate impact.
. BTW the guy I work with us a HUGE Illinois fan and was hoping they would offer. (does not matter to me...but some people like hearing that.)
 


I agree with pretty much everything in your post, Foval. Good take, IMO. Like Jon said though, Woodbury might not start, but we'll see. I think you may be downplaying Meyer's abilities a tad, but I'm no expert by any means. Will we possibly have the luxury of being able to redshirt either him or Olesani or anybody else?

I'm very excited and hopeful for next season and not to downplay this season at all, but at times I think it is going to be very hard to watch so I hope we don't get the crazies coming out and calling for Fran's head and bashing players. Hope and patience. 2 keys words to keep in mind while watching this season.

I have faith that Fran will get it done. As long as he can keep bringing in talent like he is next season then we have a chance. And I just love his competitiveness.
 
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next year we will have the versatility to play and matchup with tall and quick teams. so the style of play of the teams we play may dictate who starts so we may not see a set starting 5 every game.

dont agree here i think we will in game match up to teams but i think you stick with a 5 and rotation that is working. switching starting 5 can cause confusion in players understanding their role when injuries arent involved like cartwright making it so marble has to play pt. but i think our size and athleticism will cause other teams match up problems. when is the last time we could say that?
 


You can feel the momentum start to build for Iowa BB. McCaffrey really is a good coach -- It kinda feels like it did when Hayden started to build Iowa FB. The wins in the Big Ten might not be there this year, but you can sure sense the competency and intelligence of this coach. Just a great time to be an Iowa BB fan....
 


im not trying to downplay meyer just think that he isnt at the level others with a similar skill set are at. he is a 4 or 5 man and we have basabe, white, woodbury, mccabe, olesani. each has either more athleticism and/or experience and/or bulk. olesani is the only one i can see him passing because olesani is so raw.
 


I would guess White or McCabe would start over Woodbury. But 'starting' in college basketball is one of the more useless titles.

Jon I agree with what you are saying but I wouldn't be suprised to see Woodbury starting by the time the Big Ten season starts. Depends how fast he comes along.
 


the starting 5 i gave was who i thought would be starting going into b1g play. basically a yr from now. to start next yrs season i see 2 possible lineups as likely even though only one of them id be ok with. #1 the one im ok with. gessell at pt, oglesby at sg, marble at sf, basabe at pf, and mccabe at c. #2 the one i dont like but see it as possible is marble at pg, oglesby at sg, may at sf, basabe at pf, and mccabe at c. obviously only 1 true difference. i would prefer white in the starting 5 than may but i could see fran give may non-con starts while young players get their feet wet. really hope basabe doesnt have to play the 5 next year like he does at times this yr tho i like when him and white are both on the court. white needs some work to become a true 3 but he can do it even with out the quickness because of his length.
 




gesell is an excellent defender. he is 6-1 or 6-2 and very athletic, but more importantly he is smart and goes 100% all the time.
 


I'll go on record as hoping we never redshirt a player unless it's because of academics or due to injuries. Fran said he would recruit players who can play, not in the future, but right away. To always have a dozen athletic players ready to go could be a beautiful thing indeed. I hope that were past the point of having to recruit projects. You've got 4 years boys, saddle up.
 


Meyers will surprise you 225 and gaining weight can shoot the 3 and bang inside
i still don't understand the banging inside against the monsters of the BT
they are not King Kong types
i already pointed out Zeller is 6'11 and 225 lbs
Woodbury is at 7'1 245 lbs
both were highly rated and recruited by high level teams
neither is a 2-3 year project
also Meyer by some of the state rankings people say Meyer is one of the best in-state talents
this includes
Shaq Goodwin top25
Kenny Gaines top 150
Mitch top 150 who alot on here and the other boards wanted Fan to get top 150
size will not be a issue nor will it be a matter of playing top level talent
as all the incoming players have either played with or against
one last thing we need White's versatility at the 3
for once i want Iowa to dictate the way the game is played, rather than letting the other team dictate lineups or style of play
 


I haven't seen Gessell play and it's been said that he has already been promised the keys to the car, so maybe him starting is a foregone conclusion. But Marble is playing really good point right now (and I don't mean that with an asterisk, as in "*for a guy who shouldn't be playing the position"). I mean that by any measure he is flat out showing really good PG play (his assist to turnover ratio is 4:1).

If Gessell struggles and is slow making the transition to the college game it wouldn't surprise me if Marble gets the nod next year.
 
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I haven't seen Gessell play and it's been said that he has already been promised the keys to the car, so maybe him starting is a foregone conclusion. But Marble is playing really good point right now (and I don't mean that with an asterisk, as in "*for a guy who shouldn't be playing the position"). I mean that by any measure he is flat out showing really good PG play (his assist to turnover ratio is 4:1).

If Gessell struggles and is slow making the transition to the college game it wouldn't surprise me if Marble gets the nod next year.

We might want to wait until D Marbs gets a couple BIG games under his belt at the point.
 


i am trying to piece together from what i have seen of recruits on video and live and the current players that will be back next year what we will look like. and my take is the record will not be great but we will really like the product and the path as the players get older.

lets start with the starting 5. i see it as gessell at the point, oglesby at the 2, marble at the 3, basabe at the 4, and woodbury at the 5. so 2 frosh, 1 soph, and 2 jr. i really like white as our 6th man so i dont have him in the 5 but i could see it happen.

i also think that we will see two things get much better next year. the defense and the rotation. i believe fran's d philosophy is built around length. something we didnt have when he got here and now are getting when you look at marble and white and olesani, etc. my main complaint is the lack of a good rotation from my view but i think that is because of the lack of point guard depth and next yr that will be taken care of because by my count we will have 2 true pts and 3 that handle good enough to play it if needed (marble, oglesby, ingram).

now for individual player thoughts.

gessell - this kid is a flat out scorer and creator. the weakness ive heard is that he isnt a great defender but he looks long for his height. finally will have a true pt that we know what we are getting. hopefully he can adapt to college quick cause pg is the hardest position for frosh imo.

oglesby - dead eye dick type shooter and seems to be able to take it to the hole better than gatens. best thing for him that gatens didnt have is he wont have to be #1 scorer and will be able to move and find holes and knock it down as the secondary option.

marble - can finally play his natural position. we will see him ave 17 pts next yr and it will be great. love his game and pg has just made him a better ball handler.

basabe - dont put wt on him he is good where he is. i think he comes to play going 10 and 10 to average a double double.

woodbury - this kid has skill at 7 ft. he can move. toughest thing is can he get used to the physicality of the college game quick. i see him going 6 pts 8 rebs.

white - 6 man is awesome when they average 14 pts and bring that energy. he is a guy i could see starting at 3 or 4 but then you lose either ogelsby or woodbury and his energy off the bench is great.

mccabe - will be a solid sub for the 4 and 5 spots as a smart player who has added bulk and become a lot tougher down low than i thought he would.

olesani - this kid is a straight up athlete. i see him coming in at the 5 and just blocking shots and rebounding like an animal. reggie evans-esque. hope he develops cause he is raw in bball skill.

may - defensive stopper on the wing and needs to buy into the spot because he is athletic and strong enough to be great at it. could bring similar energy as white only on the defensive end.

ingram and clemmons (sp?) - might have mixed these 2 up on who is who. i believe ingram is kind of the combo guard that is pretty stocky and clemmons is more of a defensive pg. both will give great depth at the 1 and 2 spots.

meyer - adds depth at the 4 and 5 but probably needs to add the most bulk wise because i dont think he has white's skill set to play so thin.

depth is a key. and we will finally have it so we can press and not get tired and if it isnt somebody's day we can get them out of there. think about 5 guys who can man the point. 3 guys can play sg. 4 guys can play the 3. 4-5 can play the 4 and 4-5 can play the 5. think of the lineups we could have and match ups we could finally match up against small and big teams.

i really like what fran is building and see ncaa tourney when this incoming class are sophs.

thoughts?

Looks good........on paper. You also didn't mention any of the issues these players have except for Gesel and the D, which I have never heard before. Every freshman is going to struggle on D no matter what they were in high school (except a few of the elite incoming freshman). With the 2 incoming frosh and Oglesby you don't have much experience and a lot of whiteness.

Its too early to say (until this year is over) but I think if I am being realistic and had to bet I would say the win total will decline or stay the same from this year. I see a lot of potential, but not much of it coming to fruition next year. The year after could be the year to look for that big jump record-wise.
 


We might want to wait until D Marbs gets a couple BIG games under his belt at the point.

Nor should I talk as though Anthony Clemmons won't be a factor. People who have seen him play say he brings athleticism and quickness to the point that we haven't seen in quite some time.
 




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