Lot's of stuff like this:
You're backtracking, not rephrasing. You don't fire people without proof of wrongdoing. Dantonio's program has been investigated thoroughly and has been found completely above board. And Izzo has openly welcomed an investigation into his. Those aren't the words of a man with something to hide.We want justice. We demand it. But we'll be damned if we give into an angry mob.
ESPN would do better making a case with less drama and dramatic effect. I don't pretend to know what went down, and have stated, wait for due process and the truth. That said, ESPN loses credibility when they get so melodramatic. It's way too easy to see through.
Stop parroting Lauren Allswedes bullshit. All these instances except the mystery 2010 assault and the case last year were reported to the authorities by the victim. And in the one last year, our coach followed procedure and those people were brought to justice.
How do you know it's bullshit? She's more of an insider than you've ever been.
I don't know if it's BS or not. But this is way, way too serious for me to automatically stake my flag on "MSU did nothing wrong let's attack this person saying we're bad."
She worked in our counseling center for like seven years.
Guys take off the green glasses for a minute and try to be rational. There may be nothing here, and they may be something horrendous. Exercise caution and hope that if facts can come out they show MSU did the right thing and didn't have a rape culture.
But these ad hominen attacks on Allswede are ridiculous. Since Friday people on have called her a bitch, a cunt, said she deserves what she gets, etc.
Keep it up and we'll deserve every "the Neanderthals at tRCMB area at it again" label that will be assigned.
Allswede is wrong and negligent, but she isn't the devil or anything, she's misguided. I think ESPN used her and this story took a tone that she didn't necessarily intend, and she certainly isn't experienced enough to know what they were getting at. And as others have pointed out, the mystery 2010 case is the only open issue here, everything else was definitively handled by the book. But as I've also stated, why should we believe what ESPN is saying about the 2010 case when the rest of the story is pure garbage? I'll wait to see what actually happened. And here's another thing, just because ESPN wrote a story doesn't mean they get to dictate that there should be an investigation. Nothing Dantonio has done warrants more investigation. This 2010 issue is the only possible thing that needs to be investigated for Izzo, but we have no idea if anything even happened at all do we?
Izzo was beloved by many in the media, but I think it's harder for people to come out and support Izzo after his poor choice of words raised the ire of Raisman's mom. I think if that situation didn't happen, you'd see more benefit of the doubt for him. As for Dantonio, I don't think he's ever been even half as beloved as Izzo was by the media, and some would like to see Dantonio fall because he's a threat to Midwest blueblood programs.
A general statement, from a family member who was a prosecutor. The easiest way to “catch a lie” or merely tell if something really happened is to let them tell the story (like the police report would read, where they take the narrative).
Then ask them to start it from some point in the middle. Then jump to another spot and ask what happened just before that. Ask why, when, and where in between.
People can memorize a narrative, they can even make themselves believe it. But generally, if it really happened, it can be recalled in an out of order manner.
Having read the previously released reports, and statement from Dunnings using the (rare) words “no crime was committed”, I’d say this is what happened in place of your “talked her out of it”.
Izzo also has the disadvantage of currently being in season (and therefore available) while this is all developing, so this will be tougher on him as well.
Right. Let's review. Two MSU players are accused of a crime. The prosecutor's office investigates the incident and publicly concludes no crime was committed before their first practice has even occurred. No coach in America is going to kick those two out at that point.
The lynch mob out for Dantonio and Izzo is concerning because there's something fundamentally anti-American about it. The mob wants to see these two fired over police reports, we aren't even talking about convictions yet. Most of the players accused are black, just a few years ago the progressive left would have been howling over unjust internet convictions of black men over mere allegations in a police report. Now the same group is telling us we have to believe women no matter what, which means suspending our own thought process and ignoring the numerous cases of women faking sexual assaults (Duke lacrosse, UVA frat house etc.).
If you go through all of these cases at MSU two things stand out. First, there hasn't been a single conviction. There probably will be with the football players charged last year but they're still innocent until proven guilty. Even if we isolate that situation, it's clear that MD immediately called the proper authorities when he was told what happened. In the other football cases, players were expelled or left the university. In one case a woman filed a report 7 years after the alleged incident. In basketball, if the prosecutor doesn't take the Payne and Walton case what more is Izzo supposed to do?
It seems to me that for athletes, particularly black athletes, the mob mentality has taken over and they're presumed guilty based on nothing more than a police report. That doesn't sit right with me, everyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence. The rush to blame coaches, as though they're 24/7 babysitters for adults, is also troubling. It's as though they're expected to serve as executioner even if the prosecutor won't prosecute a case.
ESPN has an axe to grind and the twitter social justice warriors repeat nonsense without every verifying the facts. In fact, the facts don't even matter to them because they're pushing a political agenda. I would be shocked if Izzo and Dantonio aren't fired before next season at this point. The mob mentality has taken over and they're out for blood.