Xavier Foster Announcement

[PCHawk]

But what happens when in 2 years from now, when we are closer to a more suitable ratio for you and have more brothers on the team? Got a lot of lot of them committed. Are they not gonna be piss pounded because the make up of the team is more African American? There's nothing fact about that. Black guys get beat just like white guys. Having more of them is not going to make Iowa good at basketball. Having more good players, regardless of race is going to. To say differently is kind of racist.

This arguement doesn't really hold water. Most teams are predominantly black, so getting more black players would at best "catch us up" to everyone else. That's like someone saying a team full of women can't compete against men because they are women, then you responding with "so we would automatically win if we got men instead?". Of course we wouldn't automatically win. We just wouldn't automatically lose.

Obviously the difference between men and women is more extreme than the difference between black and white. But you probably get the point.

 

[InGoodCo]

This arguement doesn't really hold water. Most teams are predominantly black, so getting more black players would at best "catch us up" to everyone else. That's like someone saying a team full of women can't compete against men because they are women, then you responding with "so we would automatically win if we got men instead?". Of course we wouldn't automatically win. We just wouldn't automatically lose.

Obviously the difference between men and women is more extreme than the difference between black and white. But you probably get the point.

Oh I know and to be honest, I get what he's saying. i just like to F with Fry....he knows this tho.

 

[mopkins]

One fun thought experiment...

What would our team look like if Patrick, Connor, and Wieskamp weren't automatic commitments.

Wieskamp is obviously the one who'd be a showstopper, but I wonder who he'd have gone after in the absence of those three kids that he never had to recruit.

Well you look at Jok too and one of the main reasons he went to Iowa is other teams gave up on him after his injury. Just how lucky has Fran been with some of his bigger names falling into his lap...Uthoff, Jok, Wieskamp? Hard telling.

 

[mopkins]

Obviously the Civil Rights struggle is the reason that this conversation can't be had without people screaming racism and I get it 100%

I just find it hard to ignore the fact that everyone knows that either a Kenyan or Ethiopian will win every major distance race in existence, and genetics of the population of people is suggested as part of the reason, backed up by peer reviewed studies--no one bats an eye. But if anyone even suggests for a microsecond that there could be possible differences in the physical genetics of a caucasian, African American, Hispanic, or Native American person, all of a sudden it's time to drag them out in the street to get shot.

Are there socioeconomic and cultural pressures that affect the proprtion of blacks to whites in basketball? Absolutely.

Are there genetic differences that (over a population sample size of hundreds of thousands of players) affect the huge proportional disparity of blacks to whites in basketball? I don't know. But even though we see obvious, visual physical differences between races, even if I suggest the possibility of racial genetic factors in basketball all of a sudden people want me dead.

Well, more dead than they already did in the first place.

believe me I know what you're saying. Its like the argument on men vs women in sports that nobody wants to have. There are undeniable biological differences in humans.

 

[PCHawk]

One fun thought experiment...

What would our team look like if Patrick, Connor, and Wieskamp weren't automatic commitments.

Wieskamp is obviously the one who'd be a showstopper, but I wonder who he'd have gone after in the absence of those three kids that he never had to recruit.

Who knows who Fran might have landed if his sons weren't on the team. If the over under was set at 3 on the number of kids who decided not to go to iowa because of his sons, I'd pick the over.

 

[PCHawk]

this x100. In year 9 you have it or you don’t, obviously Fran should be well beyond the building stage. Hell...his own son conor was a recruiting miss

Fran isn't rebuilding. Other than one really bad year, he's been pretty consistent for the last 7 years.

 

[PCHawk]

Obviously the Civil Rights struggle is the reason that this conversation can't be had without people screaming racism and I get it 100%

I just find it hard to ignore the fact that everyone knows that either a Kenyan or Ethiopian will win every major distance race in existence, and genetics of the population of people is suggested as part of the reason, backed up by peer reviewed studies--no one bats an eye. But if anyone even suggests for a microsecond that there could be possible differences in the physical genetics of a caucasian, African American, Hispanic, or Native American person, all of a sudden it's time to drag them out in the street to get shot.

Are there socioeconomic and cultural pressures that affect the proprtion of blacks to whites in basketball? Absolutely.

Are there genetic differences that (over a population sample size of hundreds of thousands of players) affect the huge proportional disparity of blacks to whites in basketball? I don't know. But even though we see obvious, visual physical differences between races, even if I suggest the possibility of racial genetic factors in basketball all of a sudden people want me dead.

Well, more dead than they already did in the first place.

There are genetic difference in different races the exactly same way there are genetic differences in dog breeds. Treating people different because of those differences is what's racist. Not acknowledging that those differences exist.

 

[PCHawk]

Oh I know and to be honest, I get what he's saying. i just like to F with Fry....he knows this tho.

You wouldn't have to F with him if he wasn't so damn racist.

 

[Fryowa]

believe me I know what you're saying. Its like the argument on men vs women in sports that nobody wants to have. There are undeniable biological differences in humans.

The women vs. men one always intrigued me too because we’ve actually seen it play out. The women’s USA national soccer team got throttled in Texas by a 14U boys team and people lost their goddamn mind.

Other folks argue about the excitement and pay equity of women’s basketball (I couldn’t care less either way), but an above average boys basketball team would wreck the WNBA champs by 100. Why would we be surprised that it doesn’t get ticket sales or merch revenue? But people flip out.

Now what we really need to do is go after these SEC fan fucks who think Alabama would beat the Bengals or the Jets. These assholes piss me off more than flat earthers and they’re actually a couple notches dumber.

 

[Jonrn]

This one hurts there is no question about it. Have to lock down these type of in state recruits. I almost feel a little bad for Fran and Sherm, all the time and effort they’ve put in, but such is life as a major college Bball coach. I don’t agree at all with the Foster’s NBA logic (I think if you’re good enough the NBA will find you). But that’s the challenge with recruiting you never know what’s going to be the deciding factor or how the recruits and their families are going to think.

On Foster’s career I actually don’t think he’s going to be a big time program changer. That might sound like sour grapes right now but I have eluded to that before. His potential basketball ceiling is very high but he isn’t there yet. From what I gathered he seems a little passive at times and hangs out around the perimeter. If Iowa State fans are expecting him to come in and be a big time impact maker as a freshman I think they might be a little surprised. That’s just my opinion anyway so part of me thinks okay say he comes in and plays two years at Iowa State and averages like 8-12 points. That’s a quality piece to have but maybe not deserving of all the hype we are seeing here. I think Wieskamp, Carton, and for that matter Garza will all have much more productive COLLEGE careers than Foster. Again could be sour grapes but just my opinion.

I agree completely, Foster is a great player, I can see him as an all big 12 pick but I can’t see him being a lottery pick. However, he isn’t a paradigm changer for a program.

 

[Jonrn]

Fran isn't rebuilding. Other than one really bad year, he's been pretty consistent for the last 7 years.

Unfortuntely you are right, but I’d like to see him
Have a goal beyond 10-10 in the big ten and building toward a top 5 big ten program to compete with purdue, Wisconsin and the Michigan’s

 

[Fryowa]

There are genetic difference in different races the exactly same way there are genetic differences in dog breeds. Treating people different because of those differences is what's racist. Not acknowledging that those differences exist.

I agree.

Now that being said, if I told you that across a legitimate sample size African Americans may have a physical advantage over caucasians because of the huge disparity in numbers of professional players (which I can’t prove and thus don’t know either way), would you think about it critically and be open to exploring the idea, or would you tell me I’m a full of shit racist?

How about if we talked about world class sprinters which is almost strictly a physical feat and has an even greater racial disparity?

It’s obviously a rhetorical question because I think we all know that most generally someone would get destroyed for being a racist if they said that.

 

[Fryowa]

You wouldn't have to F with him if he wasn't so damn racist.

This is why I love living here so much.

 

[PCHawk]

The women vs. men one always intrigued me too because we’ve actually seen it play out. The women’s USA national soccer team got throttled in Texas by a 14U boys team and people lost their goddamn mind.

Other folks argue about the excitement and pay equity of women’s basketball (I couldn’t care less either way), but an above average boys basketball team would wreck the WNBA champs by 100. Why would we be surprised that it doesn’t get ticket sales or merch revenue? But people flip out.

Now what we really need to do is go after these SEC fan fucks who think Alabama would beat the Bengals or the Jets. These assholes piss me off more than flat earthers and they’re actually a couple notches dumber.

Give me the best 5 white guys in college and I bet they could end up a 1 seed in the tourney. But put those same 5 white guys against the top 5 black guys and they probably lose by 15+.

 

[Fryowa]

Give me the best 5 white guys in college and I bet they could end up a 1 seed in the tourney. But put those same 5 white guys against the top 5 black guys and they probably lose by 15+.

That’s intriguing. I had not thought of it in that way before.

 

[mopkins]

The women vs. men one always intrigued me too because we’ve actually seen it play out. The women’s USA national soccer team got throttled in Texas by a 14U boys team and people lost their goddamn mind.

Other folks argue about the excitement and pay equity of women’s basketball (I couldn’t care less either way), but an above average boys basketball team would wreck the WNBA champs by 100. Why would we be surprised that it doesn’t get ticket sales or merch revenue? But people flip out.

Now what we really need to do is go after these SEC fan fucks who think Alabama would beat the Bengals or the Jets. These assholes piss me off more than flat earthers and they’re actually a couple notches dumber.

To me the US Men's vs Women's soccer argument is actually rather interesting only because the women have generated more revenue than the men have recently. There is an argument of some sort to be made there, but on the other side, the men make more professionally than the women so they have to be paid more or I assume they won't play on the national team. Also FIFA pays the men a lot more for the world cup than the women.

In the end, sports are entertainment and you're only worth what people are willing to pay you. The women could have boycotted the world cup and then made zero money and made zero advertising revenue and nobody would have ever remembered their names. They didn't boycott because that would have been really stupid for them financially.

 

[PCHawk]

To me the US Men's vs Women's soccer argument is actually rather interesting only because the women have generated more revenue than the men have recently. There is an argument of some sort to be made there, but on the other side, the men make more professionally than the women so they have to be paid more or I assume they won't play on the national team. Also FIFA pays the men a lot more for the world cup than the women.

In the end, sports are entertainment and you're only worth what people are willing to pay you. The women could have boycotted the world cup and then made zero money and made zero advertising revenue and nobody would have ever remembered their names. They didn't boycott because that would have been really stupid for them financially.

The next male porn star that cries about how much he makes compared to women will be the first. Sorry dude but I'm not watching for you. Just keep your butt hole off the screen and that's all I care about.

 

[PCHawk]

That’s intriguing. I had not thought of it in that way before.

Well think about it and let me know if you agree.

 

[BryceC]

It's not weird and you know it even if you won't say it out loud.

No, it is weird. There is zero reason why there isn't one All-NBA white American NBA player and there are a half dozen All-NBA Euros.

 

[BryceC]

If the clowns make the Final Four with him I will be rather surprised

If ISU makes the Final Four at any point in my life I'd be surprised. That's not the bar.