Tommy From Des Moines is an Iowa fan, and he calls into radio shows, so he speaks for Iowa fans.
WSJ: Iowa State could be odd man out in conference realignment
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Tommy From Des Moines is an Iowa fan, and he calls into radio shows, so he speaks for Iowa fans.
Hawkfromnorwalk
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Tommy is an old kook that people listen to then laugh. Paul C. runs the ISU rivals page. So yes, he speaks for ISU fans.
nationalchamps
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The leftovers from the Big12 and BigEast will not have an AQ status....that is pretty much guaranteed.
nationalchamps
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He'll get out of dodge before this happens. They need to be halting all projects currently in process over in Lames.
DodgerHawki
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JH, I don't think your political analogy holds up all that well...
but I get your premise. And as usual, you provide the right amount of perspective to a situation. Indiana is a red state, Nebraska most certainly is (politically), and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Iowa are all considered battleground states in national elections.
As far as Texas, the current situation in the B12 is all about the actions of the biggest academic institution in the B12 (UT) as opposed to the sentiments of an entire state.
Delaney and the B1G have the balance entirely right. Delaney has created a situation where every B1G member can legitimately say they are being treated as fairly as Michigan/OSU/Penn State. but Michigan/OSU/PSU are still free to exercise the advantages available to them with superior number of alumni, capacity of stadiums, etc. Sports leagues (like a conference or even the NFL) are only as strong as its weakest teams. Teams need opponents to play. It's not like business where competition often weeds the playing field down to just a few players. Sports teams often like to throw out "this is a business" but in reality it's not. In the real world, crappy businesses go bankrupt or get swallowed up by a larger competitor. In the sports world, the weaker teams are kept alive with the chance to turn things around once management/leadership changes.
but I get your premise. And as usual, you provide the right amount of perspective to a situation. Indiana is a red state, Nebraska most certainly is (politically), and Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Iowa are all considered battleground states in national elections.
As far as Texas, the current situation in the B12 is all about the actions of the biggest academic institution in the B12 (UT) as opposed to the sentiments of an entire state.
Delaney and the B1G have the balance entirely right. Delaney has created a situation where every B1G member can legitimately say they are being treated as fairly as Michigan/OSU/Penn State. but Michigan/OSU/PSU are still free to exercise the advantages available to them with superior number of alumni, capacity of stadiums, etc. Sports leagues (like a conference or even the NFL) are only as strong as its weakest teams. Teams need opponents to play. It's not like business where competition often weeds the playing field down to just a few players. Sports teams often like to throw out "this is a business" but in reality it's not. In the real world, crappy businesses go bankrupt or get swallowed up by a larger competitor. In the sports world, the weaker teams are kept alive with the chance to turn things around once management/leadership changes.
iowahawkeyes89
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I'm indifferent about the whole thing.
I'm not laughing, but I'm not concerned or give a crap about the ISU situation.
I'll tell you this, ISU goes to a smaller conference, Rhoads and Hoiberg aren't going to be around very long. Especially Rhoads.
I'm not laughing, but I'm not concerned or give a crap about the ISU situation.
I'll tell you this, ISU goes to a smaller conference, Rhoads and Hoiberg aren't going to be around very long. Especially Rhoads.
Does Jon Miller or Tom Kakert speak for you? Have you agreed with 100% of the things either of them have said throughout the years?
I'm sorry man, I think your hatred for Iowa State is blinding you here.
Paul Clark does not speak for ISU fans. I'm guessing if you asked Jon if he thought he spoke for Iowa fans he would say no. Or at least not when he may be speaking radically, which Clark clearly was doing in that column.
I don't know Paul, and I wish him no ill-will, but there's a reason his website has become 3rd place among ISU sports websites (at best). He does not speak for ISU fans.
ssckelley
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Yes it would with the Big East and Big 12 folding you have 2 BCS bids out there. This is what the new conference would look like:
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri and/or West Virginia
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinnati
South Florida
Louisville
TCU
If they look to add BYU, SMU, and Houston (or all 3) you would have a decent enough football conference that would get a BCS bid. Granted it isn't a sexy football conference but neither is the existing Big East. There is also talk of the Mnt West and Conf USA merging to get the other one. They attach top 15 qualifications for the auto bid to ensure quality of those games.
And Iowa athletics will benefit over time. Why should I feel bad about that development if I am an Iowa fan? ISU is an athletic competitor just like Nebraska, Minesota, etc. Stop with the boo-hoo moral high ground. I will be thrilled if Iowa gains that advantage and ISU is relegated to a second tier athletic existence.
eyekwah
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Your lens is too small. The Big Ten is one organization in competition with other organizations called conferences. It's mission is not to make a profit, but too enhance the qualities of all its members. The revenue sharing is the same as that of any organization. The Big Ten sure the heck takes in a lot of money compared to other conferences. That ain't being socialistic.
Hawkfromnorwalk
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When you are given the pulpit to deliver a message your voice carries louder than those without the means to do so. What Paul says or Jon says or Tom says may or may not be what the rest of us are thinking, but they are the ones standing out front and letting their voice be heard and when they say something it gets associated with the fanbase they represent. You know, just like how Jon is made fun of over on CyFan because he predicted an undefeated season last year. Oh that's right, your love for ISU blinds you to such things.
DwayneTwill
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I just don't see this happening. It might be different if they were in the same conference to begin with but since they're not already linked in that regard, there's no way to GET them linked. The Big Ten isn't going to pick up ISU just because the BOR asks them to. And the BOR isn't going to put Iowa in a situation where they'd be OUT of the BigTen if the conference doesn't want ISU.
Good for you. I've already addressed your kind.
I have never made fun of Jon for his predictions. And I can't control what others say about him.
But to that point, are people saying the entire Iowa fanbase was predicting an undefeated season just because Jon said so? If so, they are just as wrong as I think you are on this subject.
Hawkfromnorwalk
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So why are you here? Do you feel a moral obligation to stand up against the "haters"?
iowahawkeyes89
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Two of my co-workers told me to count them in as wanting to see ISU turned into a MWC, MAC irrelevant program.
Just thought I would throw that out there...
Just thought I would throw that out there...
BroderickHawk
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Because I can be and I will continue to stay here until I decide to leave or I am booted. Why does it matter?
Hawkfromnorwalk
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Well it's a good thing I don't give a **** about your opinion then.
