Wirfs Arrested

Lots of people have done this and not gotten caught. He should be suspended for whatever their guidelines say. He will learn more from the arrest, the night in jail and the other conseeequences he has faced and will face than any game missed from football.
 
The biggest problem with drunk driving is a lot of people are idiots when they're drunk. You have to be pretty damn drunk before you actually lose the physical ability to drive safely as long as you're still making a conscious decision to drive safely.

To me, that's why there is a huge grey area with drunk driving. That's also why the sobriety tests should play a bigger part in punishment. If you get pulled over for a headlight out, pass the sobriety test, then blow a .08, you probably don't deserve the same punishment as the guy who gets pulled over for speeding and driving up a curb, falls over and pukes during the sobriety test, then blows a .25.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
I don't think many are debating the legal consequences they are pretty harsh and are what they are. The school/football programs ever flowing policy of how they deal with it kid to kid is what I'm more concerned with. 19 yrs old brain is fully developed enough to know better to not drink underage to begin with and then not drive anything if they do...That sort of excuse making is ridiculous...

How many people think that when a parent leaves a kid in the backseat of a hot car on a 95 degree day to go get groceries or gamble at the casino is ok? It's not right? It's as an avoidable and preventable of a mistake as this is. It's really easy to not drink. Really really easy. If the laws and coaches/programs have rules against it and lives are at stake I just think more should be on the line for the kid than just a game or two...
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It's fine that you feel this way, but remember you are chastising a large percentage of the population.

To your other note, I don't follow your logic that he should be so harshly punished from his football career. There is a thing called the legal system. When one commits a crime, it is the legal systems responsibility to determine ones punishment.

Wirfs football playing status is only determined by the student athlete code of conduct. The offense he committed will have a predetermined severity level and a pre calculated range of punishment for said offense. Kirk will decide what punishment he receives within that range. No matter how you feel about drunken scooter drivers, the school has had to address it hundreds of times and they will have a model for fair and equitable treatment.
 
Am I the only one who thinks he should be punished worse now that I know he was being stupid driving with 3 people and yelling?
 
PCHawk said:
Am I the only one who thinks he should be punished worse now that I know he was being stupid driving with 3 people and yelling?
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No. It raises the stakes a bit and makes the mistake even dumber. The young man obviously needs a wake up call. I just don't think that wake up call needs multi game suspension.
 
Adam said:
It's fine that you feel this way, but remember you are chastising a large percentage of the population.

To your other note, I don't follow your logic that he should be so harshly punished from his football career. There is a thing called the legal system. When one commits a crime, it is the legal systems responsibility to determine ones punishment.

Wirfs football playing status is only determined by the student athlete code of conduct. The offense he committed will have a predetermined severity level and a pre calculated range of punishment for said offense. Kirk will decide what punishment he receives within that range. No matter how you feel about drunken scooter drivers, the school has had to address it hundreds of times and they will have a model for fair and equitable treatment.
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Oh I get that lots of folks do it or have done it and think it's slap on the wrist material. It's too bad and why it'll never be changed significantly. That of thinking along with many of the powers that be that because the legal system already punishes folks once they are caught is pretty much punishment enough and 'how dare he not get to play for my team in the game I want to watch' attitude is exactly why things are the way they are and we'll continue to see this... So long as you aren't jumping up and down wondering why players will continue to do these sorts of things I can understand your angle on it just fine. I disagree with it but I understand it
 
1hawkeye1 said:
The legal consequences of this will not be a slap on the wrist. This will cost him thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees. His insurance will sky rocket. And this will follow him around for the rest of his life. Every future employer is going to want a full explanation of this and some will immediately want nothing to do with you.

This happened to me 2 weeks after my 21st birthday. 20 years later, we wanted to adopt a child. I had to sit down and explain the whole story to them. And "well I had too many beers and got stopped while driving" was not good enough for them. I'm 54 now. It's been 33 years and I still have to explain the situation from time to time.

Whatever punishment he receives on the field is nothing compared to the punishment he will get off it.

Addressing your point #2 above... Yes, it is common sense. But remember, a 19 year old's brain is not fully developed yet. Add in some alcohol, and they are nearly incapable of making a rational decision at this point.

"Time to start cracking down"? We've been cracking down on this for decades. I don't think that's the answer. Wish I knew what the answer was.
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Telling more of these stories that provide real life perspective might help. Although most young people don't care about what life will be like 33 years in the future. Nonetheless, they need to hear these stories. Sounds like they need to bring you in to give a lecture to the team.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Oh I get that lots of folks do it or have done it and think it's slap on the wrist material. It's too bad and why it'll never be changed significantly. That of thinking along with many of the powers that be that because the legal system already punishes folks once they are caught is pretty much punishment enough and 'how dare he not get to play for my team in the game I want to watch' attitude is exactly why things are the way they are and we'll continue to see this... So long as you aren't jumping up and down wondering why players will continue to do these sorts of things I can understand your angle on it just fine. I disagree with it but I understand it
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It is a long running fallacy that society accepting human error somehow encourages or propagates further errors. We could go ahead and put Wirfs on death row if that would satisfy your moral outrage, but that would barely budge the needle on people drinking and driving. Harsh punishment is hardly a deterrent for one of the most rampantly abused laws in history.
 
Adam said:
It is a long running fallacy that society accepting human error somehow encourages or propagates further errors. We could go ahead and put Wirfs on death row if that would satisfy your moral outrage, but that would barely budge the needle on people drinking and driving. Harsh punishment is hardly a deterrent for one of the most rampantly abused laws in history.
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Then why bother at all? Is it strictly for PR? That's what it feels like to me. You seem to have flipped the script from what you expect from be it KF and how he dolls out punishment or society. I think the law sticks it pretty good to offenders. I'm not jumping on the table for more punishment in the eyes . They pay for that mistake financially even long afterwards. I'm primarily talking about KF and how if your going to run a program and have punishments for things like this that the whole wrist slapping seems like a dog and pony show. It's hardly a punishment at all if he only were to get a single game. How can a one game slap and a couple extra wind sprints be any kind of a deterrent? They can't even pretend for it to be that. It's to pacify fans and media...
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Then why bother at all? Is it strictly for PR? That's what it feels like to me. You seem to have flipped the script from what you expect from be it KF and how he dolls out punishment or society. I think the law sticks it pretty good to offenders. I'm not jumping on the table for more punishment in the eyes . They pay for that mistake financially even long afterwards. I'm primarily talking about KF and how if your going to run a program and have punishments for things like this that the whole wrist slapping seems like a dog and pony show. It's hardly a punishment at all if he only were to get a single game. How can a one game slap and a couple extra wind sprints be any kind of a deterrent? They can't even pretend for it to be that. It's to pacify fans and media...
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Missing a game is a pretty torturous experience for a competitor. It may not be lashings of the whip, but it is absolutely a punishment.
 
Adam said:
Missing a game is a pretty torturous experience for a competitor. It may not be lashings of the whip, but it is absolutely a punishment.
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Yet it keeps happening... If it was it sure doesn't deter kids. That's long been established. See around and around we go... One can't say it's a 'torturous experience' and a huge punishment for these guys when it doesn't remotely stop them in their tracks from doing it. There's no logic to that at all.. Hence it's not much of a punishment..
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Yet it keeps happening... If it was it sure doesn't deter kids. That's long been established. See around and around we go... One can't say it's a 'torturous experience' and a huge punishment for these guys when it doesn't remotely stop them in their tracks from doing it. There's no logic to that at all.. Hence it's not much of a punishment..
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People go to prison for repeat OWI's yet that doesn't stop people from driving drunk. I guess that means prison isn't much of a punishment.
 
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