Wirfs Arrested

Who was the dude that got arrested driving his scooter home from his birthday party a number of years back? Was that R Reiff?
 
Well, I guess you could say, another car hitting Wirfs on a scooter would be kind of like hitting another car. The captains need to sit everyone down and explain Lift and Uber, then show what a normal car looks like. Then explain the massive chip on their shoulder that the IC police have...dating back to 1980 for me.
 
InGoodCo said:
well, if I recall correctly, I've seen pictures of outside the FB complex and there are 100's of scooters, all the same brand, size etc. So, I assumed they were issued to the players.
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Many of the upper classmen that get cars and live further off campus that had them often sell them to the newbies as hand me downs...
 
I got a DUI about 4 months after turning 16. Had to walk and bum rides until I was close to 18. Had community service, AA meetings, a probation officer, a $1000 fine and lawyer fees. I also came from a poor family so I had zero help with any of it. Have never drank and drove since. Sometimes the punishment you get does help you figure out it's not worth it.
 
Adam said:
First and foremost, I already stated endangering his own life. Second no I do not take drinking and driving lightly. However this undeniably falls into the thickest of gray area's. I will admit that I am a hypocrite. I judge people constantly for making mistakes similar to mistakes that I have made in my life as well. I would be bet most humans are guilty of this. Even though I am a hypocrite I am unwilling to ignore the underlying childish innocence of these "crimes". It makes it hard to find justifiable outrage towards the individuals.
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Nothing gray about it to me. He was operating a motorized vehicle on the road while intoxicated. What if he swerved out in an intersection running a light and a semi truck is coming through and it swerves to avoid him and hits someone else? I mean there's just a million what ifs that can happen on the road. I've fortunately never had any first hand ramifications of anyone I know getting into a wreck directly caused by someone intoxicated. That said I don't feel that one needs to have that sort of thing happen to have the comprehension of how just bad and how utterly avoidable it is...
 
InGoodCo said:
these scooters must have incredible suspension systems.
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Why would we ever get one of these for a student athlete?

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Hawkfnntn said:
Nothing gray about it to me. He was operating a motorized vehicle on the road while intoxicated. What if he swerved out in an intersection running a light and a semi truck is coming through and it swerves to avoid him and hits someone else? I mean there's just a million what ifs that can happen on the road. I've fortunately never had any first hand ramifications of anyone I know getting into a wreck directly caused by someone intoxicated. That said I don't feel that one needs to have that sort of thing happen to have the comprehension of how just bad and how utterly avoidable it is...
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All I'm saying is... Sanctimony is hardly necessary.

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Hawkfnntn said:
I guess my biggest overall question in regards to drunk driving now is why is their such freedom for individual schools and coaches to do what they want? Why isn't there an NCAA mandatory rule across the board for it? If your busted/convicted/plead guilty for a DUI, OWI or any other three lettered acronym in regards to drinking and driving you get X amount of a percentage of your season lost. More if your underage. And if your dumb enough to do it twice your gone. It's high time to take this sort of thing seriously. So far all these years it's been just a slap on the wrist and selectively enforced. Seems like starters get slaps on the wrist and the scrubs get punished harder then the coaches get to proclaim how tough they are on them... I just wish for the wishy washy inconsistency of how coach to coach program to program and kid to kid that things like this are punished.

I get that no two scenarios are the same but it's just past time to start cracking down on this. For two obvious reasons.
1. It's life and death and against the law.
2. It's common sense and every kid over the age of 16 with a license has been preached to and preached to and preached to about not doing it and these scholarship athletes have been more than regular kiddos. To me if you've been told not to do something a million times as a fully comprehending person and still choose to do it.... You deserve a heck of a lot more than a slap on the ass and don't do it again speech... This isn't stealing candy bars from the teachers stash in their desk. This is as serious.. If you want to stop it (at least slow it down considerably) make the punishment fit the crime and the risk not worth it...
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The legal consequences of this will not be a slap on the wrist. This will cost him thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees. His insurance will sky rocket. And this will follow him around for the rest of his life. Every future employer is going to want a full explanation of this and some will immediately want nothing to do with you.

This happened to me 2 weeks after my 21st birthday. 20 years later, we wanted to adopt a child. I had to sit down and explain the whole story to them. And "well I had too many beers and got stopped while driving" was not good enough for them. I'm 54 now. It's been 33 years and I still have to explain the situation from time to time.

Whatever punishment he receives on the field is nothing compared to the punishment he will get off it.

Addressing your point #2 above... Yes, it is common sense. But remember, a 19 year old's brain is not fully developed yet. Add in some alcohol, and they are nearly incapable of making a rational decision at this point.

"Time to start cracking down"? We've been cracking down on this for decades. I don't think that's the answer. Wish I knew what the answer was.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
Who was the dude that got arrested driving his scooter home from his birthday party a number of years back? Was that R Reiff?
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I remember a lineman that was hit by a truck while on a scooter lol. It was a lead in story to our next 3 games.
 
Adam said:
I remember a lineman that was hit by a truck while on a scooter lol. It was a lead in story to our next 3 games.
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That was a backup center. He wasn't drunk. It was early in the day. A truck turned into his lane at an intersection without signaling. Looked right through him without seeing him. He hit head on, flipped over and landed on the hood of the truck without serious injury. Close call.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
That was a backup center. He wasn't drunk. It was early in the day. A truck turned into his lane at an intersection without signaling. Looked right through him without seeing him. He hit head on, flipped over and landed on the hood of the truck without serious injury. Close call.
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Yup that's the one.
 
InGoodCo said:
I got a DUI about 4 months after turning 16. Had to walk and bum rides until I was close to 18. Had community service, AA meetings, a probation officer, a $1000 fine and lawyer fees. I also came from a poor family so I had zero help with any of it. Have never drank and drove since. Sometimes the punishment you get does help you figure out it's not worth it.
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Good, thx for sharing that.
 
Adam said:
All I'm saying is... Sanctimony is hardly necessary.

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To what? To get change the right kind of change to happen it often is... It's why when something personally happens to a lawmaker you'll see a knee jerk reaction to it. If KFs grandkid were to be ran over by a player of his drinking and driving a scooter do you think that player would still be on the team if it was his first offense of any wrong doing? I find the excuse making of 'their just kids' and 'everyone does it' inexcusable and ridiculous. Many others don't that's mankind for ya
 
AreWeThereYet said:
That was a backup center. He wasn't drunk. It was early in the day. A truck turned into his lane at an intersection without signaling. Looked right through him without seeing him. He hit head on, flipped over and landed on the hood of the truck without serious injury. Close call.
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He didn't land on the hood of the truck.

 
1hawkeye1 said:
The legal consequences of this will not be a slap on the wrist. This will cost him thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees. His insurance will sky rocket. And this will follow him around for the rest of his life. Every future employer is going to want a full explanation of this and some will immediately want nothing to do with you.

This happened to me 2 weeks after my 21st birthday. 20 years later, we wanted to adopt a child. I had to sit down and explain the whole story to them. And "well I had too many beers and got stopped while driving" was not good enough for them. I'm 54 now. It's been 33 years and I still have to explain the situation from time to time.

Whatever punishment he receives on the field is nothing compared to the punishment he will get off it.

Addressing your point #2 above... Yes, it is common sense. But remember, a 19 year old's brain is not fully developed yet. Add in some alcohol, and they are nearly incapable of making a rational decision at this point.

"Time to start cracking down"? We've been cracking down on this for decades. I don't think that's the answer. Wish I knew what the answer was.
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I don't think many are debating the legal consequences they are pretty harsh and are what they are. The school/football programs ever flowing policy of how they deal with it kid to kid is what I'm more concerned with. 19 yrs old brain is fully developed enough to know better to not drink underage to begin with and then not drive anything if they do...That sort of excuse making is ridiculous...

How many people think that when a parent leaves a kid in the backseat of a hot car on a 95 degree day to go get groceries or gamble at the casino is ok? It's not right? It's as an avoidable and preventable of a mistake as this is. It's really easy to not drink. Really really easy. If the laws and coaches/programs have rules against it and lives are at stake I just think more should be on the line for the kid than just a game or two...
 
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