What does each Big 10 team lose next year
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BigD
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There is no reason that Iowa can't be the same way. I am hoping that we will be there within the next two years.
Michigan State is probably a top 5-10 basketball program over the last 15 years or so. There are a lot of reasons why Iowa won't be a top 10 basketball program. The most obvious reason being that there are only 10 of them.
For Iowa to contend in the next 2 years:
1) Cook has to become an unstoppable player. Offensively, this means improvement in rebounding and shooting.
2) We need a solution for JB's D. He has to get better and we need at least one regular rotation player to emerge- Dailey or Williams- to be a lockdown defender behind Moss. If it's Williams, he can't be an offensive liability.
3) With our size, especially adding Garza and Nunge, we have to be among the league leaders in rebounding and interior D. If all that size doesn't give us an advantage down low, then it's a disadvantage for the team to have the size.
If we are one of the best conference teams at interior defense, we can still contend without Bohannon improving on defense. I agree with the rest tho. Especially the part where we need one more guard to emerge. One that's pretty good at both ends of the floor. I'm looking at you Moss.
I think Cook will be unstoppable next year. With the experience they should be improved in rebounding and shooting.
Dailey and Williams will great defenders along with Moss. With the experience Iowa gained last year, I'm not sure they need Garza and Nunge to be competitive, but I'm sure they will use their abilities next year. Michigan State should be the favorite, but I wouldn't count Iowa out. Iowa should have a lot of leaders on next years team.
We need another interior defender/shot blocker vs a team like MSU. Garza and Nunge have that skill set if they're ready.
Yes, JB's lateral quickness can only improve so much- see Jok. Think JB's competitiveness will get him as good as he can be defensively. Interior D (including a shotblocker) is key to helping him, along with another quick perimeter defender besides just Moss who can also score- Dailey or Williams with an improved shot.
BigD
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I am not meaning to be disrespectful but this is a loser's mindset. I am not saying you are a loser but your comment comes off with a loser's mindset tone to it.
I've enjoyed many of your comments in the past and agree with many of them. Maybe you didn't mean this the way that it reads.
This is EXACTLY what Hayden was taliking about when he first arrived as Iowa's football coach. The way of thinking had to be changed from the "we can't way of thinking"' to the "not only can we but we have to come to EXPECT it."
I've worked with many youth programs including scouts as a scout master and other young men organizations. The goal is to build confidence and teach the youth to believe in themselves. To teach them to stretch themselves and believe that they can do it. Nothing gets accomplished by teaching them they have limitations and that they can't do it because of those limitations. You can, you are good enough, with hard work and dedication you have the capacity with in you to achieve greatness!!! Maybe they don't always turn out to be the absolute best among their peers but with the right attitude they turn out to be the best that THEY can be and the find personal joy and satisfaction in that. The goal however is to always strive for excellence and to be the best.
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What you're saying is a good philosophy of teaching the athletes. As fans, we can only translate that by speaking in terms of not saying it can't be done. But what does the team, and individual players, need to do to make it happen. Fran speaks of this to fans in terms of matchups not rankings.
BigD
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That's what I like about Fran. Fran has came out and said he expects to win and be successful at the highest level. He believes that this program can compete and win conference titles. I like that attitude.
I hope he does it.
There are a lot of rebuttals to this post. For one, demanding the best or you're a loser is way over the top. Maybe you're a 5'5" fat, unathletic high school kid who loves basketball. Is he a loser if he doesn't demand of himself that he make the NBA?
There are so many different levels of skill and only a handful can be at the top. That's why it's the top. There are 100 schools that are striving for the top 10 but only 10% of them will make it. You just have to have realistic expectations in life.
As a fan, I want the coaches and players to have those goals (which they do). But as a fan, there is also no way I'm going to demand that those unrealistic expectations be met "or else". Your post that I originally quoted said there is no reason we can't be MSU. Well you're right in the sense that it's possible. But it came off more like you think it should happen, when in reality, the odds are extremely unlikely that it will. Firing good coach after good coach in desperate attempt at becoming a top 10 program has a lot more likely hood of getting you to the 100th best program than it does getting you into the top 10.
BigD
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You said it couldn't happen
So settle for mediocrity out of fear. Yep, that's the ticket. Fran would still be coaching in Junior High somewhere if he thought this way. Sorry but he would totally disagree with your way of thinking. So would Brands and every successful coach in the U.S.
I don't except finishing in third or fourth place every third or fourth year. I know we can do better. I hope Fran can make it happen, but if third or fourth place is the BEST he can EVER do then he will need to move on.
BigD
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Also if that 5'5" unatheletic basketball players does his very best then he is a champ in his own right. I never said he was a loser you did. I only said that once you concede and give up based on excuses then you have accepted a defeatist mindset . That was Hayden's point and also mine.
You say he's a loser if he accepts that he will never be the best.
First of all, over the last 4 years, we have been way better than mediocre. Second of all, you're confusing having a goal to be the best (which you should have) and demanding you have to be the best or else. You don't not fire coach after coach because of fear. You don't do it because you are an idiot if you do. If an AD fires 3 coaches in 6 years, he's going to get fired too.
It just blows my mind that people think the University of Iowa should just be the best of the best non matter what. And none of the other hundreds of universities have a say in it what's so ever. It's all about what Iowa does. The problem is, there are 100 other universities that have it just as good or better than we do. They do have a say in where Iowa is because they are trying to be the best too. The one thing every single university has in common is they don't fire good coaches over and over until they become a top 10 program. In fact, I doubt any program has ever taken that route because it's stupid and there is no way it would work.
I have never met you but I can all but guarantee if we made the final 4 five years in a row but never won the championship, you would be on here saying we need to find a coach that can get us over the hump.
The other thing is, he turned us into a top 30ish program with recruits he got when we were probably 150th type program. Now that we are a top 30ish program, 3 things can happen. One is he uses that momentum and makes us better. (To me this is the most likely option) Or he could keep us at this level. If he does this, I think after 5 more years or so it might be time to make another move like we did with Davis. We would have been relevant for about 10 years and we would be in a great position to land a good coach. Way better off than we would be if we shit canned a coach that just got us back on the map. The third option is to get worse. If that happens, we will know in 2 more years and the decision will be obvious.
How many programs do you think would fire their coach for doing what Fran has done?
