Well, well WHAR the whiners?
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If there was an option in football to tell the ref you want to "take"1 point instead of attempting a field goal, would you be upset with Kirk every time we missed a field goal because in a game where points are important you can't risk it? When you're in a game like that, 7 points is WAY more important than 3, and having them backed up inside thier own 10 is ALMOST as valuable as 3 points. Guaranteed fewer points are not always better than a good shot at more points.
I have seen a lot of posts complaining about that 4th down attempt. But I haven't seen a single one complaining about the other one that was far more risky. It really goes to show that people use the outcome of a call to decide if it was a good decision or not. Is there anything wrong with Kirk thinking "this is going to be an extremely hard fought game in a hostile environment and we aren't going to get inside the 10 yard line often. We really need to walk away with 7 points here".
Ya'll need to take of the gold color glasses when watching games. Wisky simply tried harder to lose. Their quarterback got stepped on at the 2 yardline for godsakes. With as bad as Iowa's offense was playing, that surefire TD would have iced the game. The offense from both teams in that game set the B1G back 10 years.
Iowa is not going to luck into 4 turnovers every game. Hopefully Smith's return will spark something in a couple weeks.
Are you one of the same people who feel Iowa State is so inferior Iowa should be able to destroy them every game they play? If so then Kirk was just exhibiting that confidence as well.
Where are we? We're right here waiting for you to thank us moron. It's because of the people who complained and stopped going to games that got a coach to make massive changes after 16 years in a position. We have been proven right in everything we said that was wrong with Kirk's insanely conservative coaching not to lose. So yeah, we're right here idiot.
You're welcome.
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NEIChawk
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Oh HawgEye, you're such a comic.....I find it hilarious that you call out a fan base that sees a realistic challenge confronting what many fans go through. Poor performance/coaching will and can result in lower attendance/ticket sales....Yeah, I whine about the Hawks b/c our coach is stubborn, but, for some reason, he's starting to see the light a little and it's fun to watch, it's exciting, it's ugly sometimes, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of whining (right now anyway) like you make it out to be...
HawkeyeWalker
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What's a surefire TD? Is that like "taking points" on a guaranteed fieldgoal?.
I think the defense also had something to do with at least 2 of those "luck" turnovers.
Offense was substandard, yes. We had some fortune, yes. Plenty of things to work on, yes.
But 5-0, when almost no one saw it coming...warrants a bit of optimism, no?
AdamHawk
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You, along with 90% of the other haters don't deserve 'thanks'. Yes, you bitched and moaned about the state of the program but you also stated that KF was done and he was only doing damage to the program. You have not 'been proven right in everything you said' because KF has been able to right the ship, unlike what almost all of the haters said he was capable of. Most of the people who decided not to renew their season tickets did so not to provoke a change in the coach's philosophy, but to get him ousted altogether. So calling someone a moron and an idiot and acting all indignant and demanding thanks is misguided to say the least.
STILLBUSTER
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HOLY CRAP! ol' HawgEverNick used some really good bait on this fishin trip! Isn't there some limit to how many you can shoot in a barrel ... ERRRR ... catch?
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mysteron
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Does this apply to the thread police occupying Hawkeyeland as well? Or do you also think the AD/Coach should have a type of job security that is far different than everyone who buys tickets?
HobbieHawk
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Sorry you are so disappointed that KFz is concentrating on his $4M a year job and doing what we believed he should have been doing the past 5 years.
I'm not happy that I was provoked into relinquishing my season tix and not making an I-Club donation this year. But that's what it took.
I will enjoy the fruits of my sacrifice and the bitter anger that you and all the "True Fans" have toward me.
You are a Sad Puppy that Iowa is winning - while I am glad for both
I'm not happy that I was provoked into relinquishing my season tix and not making an I-Club donation this year. But that's what it took.
I will enjoy the fruits of my sacrifice and the bitter anger that you and all the "True Fans" have toward me.
You are a Sad Puppy that Iowa is winning - while I am glad for both
AdamHawk
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It's not like anyone is happy with mediocrity, especially KF. He knows full well that his job is on the line and it's not because of posters on Hawkeye Nation who cry about it everyday. It's about wins and losses, nothing more and nothing less. For many of us, we felt the jury was still out on KF and wanted to take a wait and see approach to this year because we realize it was a make or break season. A lot of us also saw something with CJ that gave us a tiny bit of hope that we wanted to see through. If the results were more of the same, then it was probably time to cut bait and move on. Many, many more people on here just wanted KF gone yesterday and didn't want him to be given this year. Those same people are now posting in this thread wanting some sort of pat on the back for being right about KF and saying they were the reason for his transformation. Give me a break, he knows that if he doesn't win he is gone. Just like every other coach in the country.
1977Hawkeye
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Indeed. I think without so much heat, KF doesn't feel the pressure to refocus and make his best effort to get things back on track. Sometimes people need a rude awakening if they are getting complacent.
I was one of those who had more or less given up on this coaching staff, and have also already admitted to the fact that I was wrong about how this season would go. I don't mind admitting this. I'd rather the Hawks win than be proven that I was "right".
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mysteron
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Comprehension may not be your friend. This thread was started by your typical Jonesian oblivious to 2010-2014. He wants a pat on the back for being a super-fan. I'd suggest you give the troll a pat on the back, since he's mostly just getting pats on the head.
I knew in January we had a good shot to have a good season. There were 3 things that held us back last year and 2 of them were gone. Having a better qb and an actual rb is a big difference. The only thing that remained was Kirk's over conservatism costing us games. I wouldn't have thought in a million years that would change. But it did and it very well might have saved us the Pitt game.
Doing things like being aggressive at the end of games and going for it on 4th down doesn't guarantee a win. We might even lose a game down the road where maybe we wouldn't have had he been over conservative. But in 17 years, haven't we seen enough loses by never taking a risk and waiting for the other team to make a mistake? I for one welcome the first loss with open arms where we lose because Kirk took a chance. We just might see it this year but when we do, remember we're free rolling after the Pitt game.
AdamHawk
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Wow. And you think I'm the one with comprehension issues. I you even bothered to read what I wrote I stated the fact that nobody is happy with mediocrity. Nobody is ignoring the fact that the results on the field haven't been up to our expectations since the Orange Bowl win. I get it, you think KF should have been fired already but I am 95% sure we wouldn't be 5-0 with a new coach so I for one am glad you don't make the decisions. Secondly, I specifically quoted a comment (hint: you replied to said comment) where someone said we should be thanking him for KF's change in strategy this year. That is flat out comical. So I will state it again in order to help you with your comprehension issues, the changes to KF's game plan have 100% to do with wins and losses and 0% to do with those who cry on message boards everyday. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll try to help you out some more.
lightning1
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KF was coaching for his and Barta's job. Make no mistake about that fact. 10,000 empty seats is apparently just what was needed to light the appropriate fire under his rear end.
Better late than never. It still doesn't make me want to rush out and buy game tickets. I've been on the KFootball roller coaster too many times. We may be headed for the top of the hill right now but history has shown that we'll be right back in the valley. Sooner rather than later. He needs to coach every year like it's going to cost him his job. Not every 4 or 5 years.
Better late than never. It still doesn't make me want to rush out and buy game tickets. I've been on the KFootball roller coaster too many times. We may be headed for the top of the hill right now but history has shown that we'll be right back in the valley. Sooner rather than later. He needs to coach every year like it's going to cost him his job. Not every 4 or 5 years.
HuckFinn
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I have said from the beginning of all the criticism and the mediocre performances by Iowa football teams the last 5 years that those who think KF has lost his desire for winning due to his contract do not understand the mentality of people who coach at this level. The same goes for Gary Barta, although the progress he has made with athletic fund raising and the resulting improvements in facilities are far and away the priorities in his job...you can think otherwise, and that is fine, but you are wrong. Think big picture, and you will improve your perspective on the Iowa athletic program. If you think GB would hesitate for one minute to recommend that KF be fired, if he really thought that it was he best course of action, you are playing in the minor leagues.
KF has a giant ego. That is what it takes to coach at this level. Ask Bo Pelini; ask Jerry Kill; ask Urban Meyer this year; ask Mark Dantonio this year; ask even god-like Mr. Saban. You can argue that KF's style of O or D is wrong and you may have a point. You can argue that he makes poor decisions on game day, and you may be right, though i disagree. You can argue that he has not recruited at a high enough level, and you may be right, though I disagree.
As Nebbie and WI have found out, be careful what you ask for: You may get what you think is an improvement. And, just to clarify, yes, KF made a very good decision to abandon Jake and go with CJ. He made very good decisions to implement a new recruiting process. He made good decisions to open up the Offense and appoint his son to "offensive coordinator." Disagree? Give me some proof.
KF has a giant ego. That is what it takes to coach at this level. Ask Bo Pelini; ask Jerry Kill; ask Urban Meyer this year; ask Mark Dantonio this year; ask even god-like Mr. Saban. You can argue that KF's style of O or D is wrong and you may have a point. You can argue that he makes poor decisions on game day, and you may be right, though i disagree. You can argue that he has not recruited at a high enough level, and you may be right, though I disagree.
As Nebbie and WI have found out, be careful what you ask for: You may get what you think is an improvement. And, just to clarify, yes, KF made a very good decision to abandon Jake and go with CJ. He made very good decisions to implement a new recruiting process. He made good decisions to open up the Offense and appoint his son to "offensive coordinator." Disagree? Give me some proof.
HawkeyeWalker
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Why don't we take a break from the in-fighting until we lose a game.
IF we lose a game
IF we lose a game
HawgEyeState
Banned
Blah, Blah, Blah
blech, blelch, belch
BURP...............
When you have held season Tickets as long as the OP, come
ring my doorbell..........whiner
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