Yeah because an extra week of practice will drastically improve this team..
We are NOT back.......
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Yeah because an extra week of practice will drastically improve this team..
SteveGarvey
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You must be joking. I'd rather get to the NCAA then go to the NIT. There is no guarantee this team would make a deep run in the NIT. If you could look into the future and guarantee a trip to NY then it would be something to think about but I think I'd still take making the NCAAs over it.
Making the NCAAs would increase their confidence heading to next season more so than winning a couple of games in the NIT.
clicheusername3
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Maybe he was talking about pump-faking only and the quote got taken out of context.
volhawk50
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No. First Round Second Place actually gets a banner saying 2013 NCAA Tournament appearance, which is better than any association with the NIT. I would prefer an NCAA berth to winning the NIT.
sportstalent
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Pre-injury there were multiple articles written about Peter and that he was going to be the best player to ever come from Iowa and it wasn't even a debate with these guys.
When we look back at his injury, it may be the best thing that ever happened to Iowa basketball.
Yes, I am well aware of that it was a shot at Wa, Wa, Wa, Wa, Wade Lookingbill.
Those are pump fakes by the way.
blkngldFRO
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The simple question and not so simple: is this team better than last years team?
sportstalent
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I know, just citing that he isn't the only one that has had those sentiments in the past.
I love it, I love it, I love it!! If we had not nailed down Peter for the Hawkeyes and he had gone to ISU or even out of state, we would have heard endless crying from this message board about not getting the top recruits from our own state. Now that we have him, the trolls on this board insist that he won't be more than mediocre, that his injury will prevent him from ever being any good, and that nobody is recruiting him because he can't play division 1 basketball at a big time University. Same old, same old.
I hope Iowa makes the NCAA this year; I will settle for the NIT...still a positive step. In fact, I still cannot believe that guys on this board are not appreciative of what Fran has done to improve this program. You must have a short memory or you have never watched Hawkeye basketball before...this team is so much better than we have watched in a number of years that it amazes me that people are upset with them. 3 frosh starters? One senior on the team? Leading scorers and rebounders and assist guys returning in 2013-2014? Troll On, clowns, Troll On.
I hope Iowa makes the NCAA this year; I will settle for the NIT...still a positive step. In fact, I still cannot believe that guys on this board are not appreciative of what Fran has done to improve this program. You must have a short memory or you have never watched Hawkeye basketball before...this team is so much better than we have watched in a number of years that it amazes me that people are upset with them. 3 frosh starters? One senior on the team? Leading scorers and rebounders and assist guys returning in 2013-2014? Troll On, clowns, Troll On.
homes
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It depends on the definition of "being back". Iowa is definitely back from death's door - where Lickliter had taken the program. They are back from being circled on Big Ten teams' schedules as easy wins. They are back to being on the fringe of conversation about NCAA bids. They are back to bringing in upgraded talent, and having realistic shots at more talent. They are back to fans coming to CHA. If 2012-2013 was the ceiling, then I'd be worried, but it's not. With a dose of perspective, I'm very pleased, and I think Iowa is back in many ways, with more to go, but definitely on the right trajectory.
okeefe4prez
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You're not very good at looking to the future. A deep NIT run would give us confidence going into next season. I see this team as no worse than a 3 seed next year and we need more March experience than just getting spanked by some decent Big East team in the first round of the tourney. I'll take the NIT run, good year next year, good run in the tourney next year over what you are proposing, which is NCAA this year, no momentum or building or growth, 9 seed next year and second round exit to a number 1 seed.
sportstalent
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It it working out for Minnesota really well, I get your point.
activebadger
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This is what the real question is. When I look at Iowa I see a team that has better than 9th place talent yet they are sitting in 9th place. I also look at the individual players and try to assess who has gotten much better or even slightly better from their freshman year? I honestly can't see marked improvement from anyone on the roster from their earlier in their career. Marble has been under FM for 3 years. Is he significantly better? No, I don't think so. Part of the development should happen naturally without too much coaching from the player developing physically and being exposed to BIG basketball.
Maybe Fran should focus less on trying to get opposing teams players to transfer and more on improving the team he has.
And when you make one team your Super Bowl (Wisconsin) then it's difficult to get up for the other games.
sportstalent
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Your analysis is truly remarkable...keep it up
okeefe4prez
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They've had a few close losses of late, but come March, I wouldn't want to face them. They are experienced in quick turnaroud must win games. There's nothing wrong with that and it is better to get that experience than a participation ribbon for a first round exit that only the most dismal of basketball programs would display in their arena with pride. Like if you're Drake or Northwestern, I understand the fascination with just making the tourney, but Iowa should be gunning for no less than Sweet Sixteen berths before getting all banner happy. This is a good team, but I don't think we would be a Sweet 16 team this year.
AHawk1
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Are you the Badgers head scout in your spare time. Bo hasn't noticed any changes in the Iowa team either.
sportstalent
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Wow, good call, excellent work.
This team needs a scorer who has the ball in their owns most of the time. It seems that this team tries to find the scorer based on the game. Most good teams have one guy who will consistently put up 15-20 points a game and 2-3 guys who will get 8-12 and they will have off nights obviously but Iowa always seems to have 2-3 guys having an off night scoring and only 1 maybe 2 who are shooting well.
sportstalent
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It begins with not having a PG that is willing to drive, or is capable of driving at will. Clemmons did not play well yesterday and that may have been a bigger part of why Iowa lost than any, but really it was because Oglesby can't shoot.
When Clemmons drives, he looks for the open man, he didn't show up well yesterday, unfortunately, but he will learn and be just fine.
When Clemmons drives, he looks for the open man, he didn't show up well yesterday, unfortunately, but he will learn and be just fine.
activebadger
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Our season isn't wrapped around how we play against Iowa. Yours clearly is in regards to Wisconsin. I imagine when I turn on Iowa's next home game that Carver will be half full. If your season comes down to how you fared against one opponent then that is a pretty low goal.
Iowa should have better than a 2-5 record. Yeah I get you played a lot of the tough teams early but you played quite a bit of those games at home. Purdue was a team you probably should have beat either home or away. It's not being a troll by saying that in order to make it to the NCAA tournament that you have to win some games like that.
Iowa can still finish 10-8 but it will be a very weak 10-8 record since you only play MSU, OSU, Michigan once. Is that enough for an NCAA tournament bid with no "signature" wins? It's almost to the point where you have to beat Indiana.
Iowa should have better than a 2-5 record. Yeah I get you played a lot of the tough teams early but you played quite a bit of those games at home. Purdue was a team you probably should have beat either home or away. It's not being a troll by saying that in order to make it to the NCAA tournament that you have to win some games like that.
Iowa can still finish 10-8 but it will be a very weak 10-8 record since you only play MSU, OSU, Michigan once. Is that enough for an NCAA tournament bid with no "signature" wins? It's almost to the point where you have to beat Indiana.
