How is it better for Iowa if both schools do well?
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GoHawks24
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I understand this, as you don't want the other BCS school in the state challenging us for recruits, etc. or to become the elite program in the state. I'm not too worried about that in football, and I think with the way Hoiberg has been recruiting, that 2 very good programs can exist in the state for basketball. But I'd still rather see ISU do well than some school I have absolutely no affiliation with, like Kansas, Texas, or Kentucky. And it makes my gf happy if they win, especially her Pops.
I can see both sides of it though, and some of their absolutely douchey fans, make it really hard to not root against them sometimes.
DoubleDribble
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I think they should actually be more afraid of this guy
tm3308
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You do realize that a win tonight gives our resume a BIG boost, right? That doesn't happen if ISU burned to the ground like some people around here seem to wish for. There is definitely room for both schools to be great in basketball and wrestling. Football, not so much, but I don't see that ever becoming a consistent problem (maybe ISU will have a year like 2000 every now and then, but they'll always have trouble sustaining that).
The better they do outside of games against Iowa, the better it looks for us when we win (and less embarrassing when we lose).
tm3308
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I've got to hold the record for most posts on this site by a Clone fan without getting banned (I was somewhere around 12k before getting a temporary boot a few weeks ago).
ssckelley
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Prolly that whole 10 year rule that Jon came up with. After 10 years it is out with the old and in with the new. The fact I have been ban free is amazing, I test the waters every now and then by bringing up 2010 football predictions every once in a while.
LawVHawk
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Updated list:
-BryceC
-CyHawk242
-CWooD4
-tm3308*
-Wassabbe/Cyclones17
* -- Tork insists he "roots" for both teams. Still, anyone who cheers for the 'Clones by definition is eligible for the list.
The worse ISU is the better chance Iowa has of landing recruits both schools are after. This does not apply much to football as I cant remember the last difference maker that went to ISU over Iowa.
It does apply to basketball and I would wager Fran and Fred will be after a lot of the same kids in the future. Georges Niang would look great in an Iowa uniform and he probably would be a Hawk if ISU was way down.
Iowa doesnt need ISU to have a solid resume. They play in the B1G for cripes sakes.
hawkdrummer1
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Iowa doesn't need ISU for anything. The reverse cannot be said.
The only way I'd ever cheer for or support ISU is if we were one of 3 undefeated teams shooting for a NC game slot and they had a chance to upset a team above us. And even then...I'd have to take a long hot shower afterwards and do some volunteer work to cleanse my conscience.
GoHawks24
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To keep harping on something so trivial is pretty lame. That goes for everybody being a d*ckhole. Get over it.
I think you have to accept the fact unless Fred goes to the NBA or Fran goes to a blue blood program, at least in basketball, both should be pretty good at least in the immediate future.
While they may cross path's from time to time on recruits, I think the actual number of head to head is not going to occur that often, be it due to philosophy, regional focus by assistant's or whatever. I look at it this way Michigan-Michigan State, Kentucky-Louisville, NC-Duke, Wisconsin- Marquette, can do it why not Iowa-Iowa State (understand maybe they are not on the same level) but the point is 2 programs within the same state are sustainable.
Iowa has more instate kids and is winning, Iowa State has mostly out of state kids and is winning. Basketball unlike football is a cold weather sport so it is much easier for northern schools like ISU or Iowa to pull the top kids. Recruiting is such a different dynamic in basketball vs football.
In terms of the game itself, unlike football they play 30+ and like Fran said given they are not in the same conference, it does not impact the ultimate goals of conference championships. Football a loss on any week has huge impact. Basketball, not so much.
If you look back on the history of the basketball games between these 2 schools, it seems, for the most part the home team does very well even if the home team program is down. That being the the case, you want both to be good. That way whomever wins the matchup, it can always be looked upon as a good win and if you lose it never could be thought of as a bad loss. Because a bad loss on your resume can put a big dent in any NCAA hopes. When you get in to Feb and March you see talking heads put up team's resumes on T.V., and they always seem to put bad losses in larger font, and highlighted.
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I never said both wouldnt be good. I think its foolish as an Iowa fan to hope both are good.
LawVHawk
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It may seem like a trivial pursuit to you but last time I looked the nameplate atop this site reads HawkeyeNation, not CycloneNation. It is meant to be a place where fans of the Hawks can come to discuss their favorite teams and life in general, at least life to the degree it is allowed Off-Topic. Try to be a Hawk fan posting in CycloneFanatic; Jon Miller's counterpart and best friend Chris Williams will ban you in five minutes. Jon himself just this morning called out a poster who appears to be playing both sides of the fence:
http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/basketball/62250-tomorrow-night-must-win-2.html#post1226780
Clown fans here know who they are and what they are doing (trolling, usually). I don't understand why they are allowed to stay. I just wish they would go back and kibbutz with others of their orientation.
tm3308
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Because wins against MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan and Indiana are guaranteed. Beating up on Penn State, Nebraska and Northwestern isn't going to do the trick. We've already tried that.
tm3308
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There are a whole slew of Iowa posters on CF that are far more inflammatory than I am over there, and they've been there for a long time. The whole "Chris Williams bans Hawk fans immediately" schtick is ********. Unless you're being an honest to God troll (or cross the line in the P/C forum), you're not going to get the axe over there.
ShockHawk22
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FACT: If you don't root for ISU to lose every game by 40, you are an Iowa State fan....
GoHawks24
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