View of HN is quite funny.

OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Howd you get all that ego up on that horse dean?

You are who this thread is made for. You are trying to back away from your support for kirk as gently as possible. Just because you couldnt see all this coming for as long as most. Now you say after all this time you come to the reasonable conclusion that kirk should move on. Now you want Brian to move to OC? I bet you cant see what will happen can you?
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I get my ego everywhere, on the high horse, on the subway, in the stadium, heck even on teh sh*tter.

I digress though. What am I backing away from? I freely admit that I thought KF should get a shot at righting the ship after '12. I felt that he deserved a shot to put his new OC and DC into place and right the ship. Not backing away from that at all. I just have new data to analyze, and I don't think it is working. Now keep in mind that is even after a 8 win season, and this year could be 8 wins as well or more. Yet I still think it is time to move on, even though those aren't horrible win numbers.

Plus he has a contract that really makes this all an exercise in futility anyway, he ain't going anywhere. I'm not going to be tilting at windmills like you do OoTH, with the ranting and raving, and acting like a 5 year old rooting for my team to lose to prove I'm right. That's not my style brother, you got that trademarked so don't go feel all threatened that I'm gonna start stealing your schtick.
 
mysteron said:
You think it is "reasoned" to say a lad with no OC experience would do better than KOK (former head coach and long time OC) and GD (long time OC with a Nat Title under his belt)? And this apparently is all based on the theory that he could change the fundamental conservative core of his father? Let me ask you a question: Did your father help form you? Or did you form him? Is our O-line better since he replaced Reese Morgan?
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Where did I say Brian would be better than KOK???? Never said that brah. I said Brian is the only person KF might let open up the offense. I understand how a father feels about his son, and KF isn't going to let Brian come in and run the #110 ranked offense. That will close doors for his sons career faster than anything. I'm banking on KF being the good old dad, and changing his ways to help out his son.

Will that happen? I have no freaking clue. What I do know is if KF brings in KOK 2.0 or Greg Davis 2.0 ain't a NOTHING GONNA CHANGE. So at this point I'd like at least a shot at some change (Brian) over no shot at change at all (any other OC out there).
 
Just because someone is paid a lot of money to coach here does not mean they will be more successful than the current coach. Is it possible? yes of course. Is it likely? No.

Look around the country and you will see numerous schools who thought they could do better with the next coach only to find themselves a few years down the road looking for a new coach.

In addition, it is not likely that Iowa would start out paying a large sum for a coach unless that coach was a big name. But just because you have a lot of money does not mean you can get whatever big name you want. And if there is a big name out there, how likely is it they chose Iowa over say an SEC or Pac 12 school with a better recruiting base? Iowa is not an easy job.

This is me not saying that there should or shouldn't be a change. If this season is a flop, I wouldn't fight a change but people need to be realistic about what would happen with a change. The most likely scenario is that Barta has to take a shot at maybe a hot mid major coach, or hot cooridinator. How often does that work out? The odds aren't good. And if it does work out and the Coach takes Iowa to national prominence, do you think the person would stay around or look for something bigger? It is rare to have coaches this day and age stay for as long as Ferentz has, unless they have an elite job like Alabama where you are at the top.
 
deanvogs said:
I get my ego everywhere, on the high horse, on the subway, in the stadium, heck even on teh sh*tter.

I digress though. What am I backing away from? I freely admit that I thought KF should get a shot at righting the ship after '12. I felt that he deserved a shot to put his new OC and DC into place and right the ship. Not backing away from that at all. I just have new data to analyze, and I don't think it is working. Now keep in mind that is even after a 8 win season, and this year could be 8 wins as well or more. Yet I still think it is time to move on, even though those aren't horrible win numbers.

Plus he has a contract that really makes this all an exercise in futility anyway, he ain't going anywhere. I'm not going to be tilting at windmills like you do OoTH, with the ranting and raving, and acting like a 5 year old rooting for my team to lose to prove I'm right. That's not my style brother, you got that trademarked so don't go feel all threatened that I'm gonna start stealing your schtick.
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Its only whining when others are doing it right? The name calling is also very mature of you. You are and amazing judge of talent though so Im sure Brian will be a great OC. Im sure youll be able to sit on the fence in the that stance also so you can say told you so no matter what happens.
 
LASBUR said:
DJL said:
I will fully admit to backing away from KF as you put it "gently". Don't get me wrong, over the past couple of years, especially in 2012 I came in here and said KF needs to go plenty of times. But then last year I thought maybe there was hope we could turn it around. Kirk as really done a lot for Iowa football during his time, and I thought maybe he had one more run in him. Now I believe I was wrong. It's just become too brutal.[/QUO
What if win 9 and a bowl game this year ? Just Sayin
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Well then I will be proven wrong again. It won't be the first or the last time I'm sure. And I will be happy about being wrong.
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OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Its only whining when others are doing it right? The name calling is also very mature of you. You are and amazing judge of talent though so Im sure Brian will be a great OC. Im sure youll be able to sit on the fence in the that stance also so you can say told you so no matter what happens.
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Where did I say Brain would be the best hire, or a great OC? Never said it, just saying he is the only one with a shot at changing the offense with KF still there.

If you mean rooting for Iowa when you say "sitting on the fence" I will be doing that. I will root for Iowa to win every last game with KF as coach, with Lick as coach, with AlFRAUD as coach, and with Blabba da Hut if Iowa were to replace KF with him. I don't need someone to fail to prove me right in order to feel good.
 
deanvogs said:
I get my ego everywhere, on the high horse, on the subway, in the stadium, heck even on teh sh*tter.

I digress though. What am I backing away from? I freely admit that I thought KF should get a shot at righting the ship after '12. I felt that he deserved a shot to put his new OC and DC into place and right the ship. Not backing away from that at all. I just have new data to analyze, and I don't think it is working. Now keep in mind that is even after a 8 win season, and this year could be 8 wins as well or more. Yet I still think it is time to move on, even though those aren't horrible win numbers.

Plus he has a contract that really makes this all an exercise in futility anyway, he ain't going anywhere. I'm not going to be tilting at windmills like you do OoTH, with the ranting and raving, and acting like a 5 year old rooting for my team to lose to prove I'm right. That's not my style brother, you got that trademarked so don't go feel all threatened that I'm gonna start stealing your schtick.
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Maybe. I kinda think the best alternative is to hire a top OC for whatever it takes and let him run the offense. Meantime though, start CJ. He's the only one that can make this GDGD offense work.
 
I don't necessarily think slowly changing ones mind is that strange.

I defended KF, even with the flaws, because in my opinion the good outweighed the bad, and I liked how the guy rolled. '10, '12, and so far '14 have made me question if that is still the case.

Things change, and could again. I, much like KF, am probably too loyal and stubborn. But hey, Hawkeye fan above all, regardless of coach...like most here.

Strange, but very interesting thread OOTH.

Let's win Saturday...how 'bout that. Go Hawks.
 
deanvogs said:
Where did I say Brian would be better than KOK???? Never said that brah. I said Brian is the only person KF might let open up the offense. I understand how a father feels about his son, and KF isn't going to let Brian come in and run the #110 ranked offense. That will close doors for his sons career faster than anything. I'm banking on KF being the good old dad, and changing his ways to help out his son.

Will that happen? I have no freaking clue. What I do know is if KF brings in KOK 2.0 or Greg Davis 2.0 ain't a NOTHING GONNA CHANGE. So at this point I'd like at least a shot at some change (Brian) over no shot at change at all (any other OC out there).
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This is a bizarre reply. You just blamed KF for KOK and GDs offense. Which calls into question KF's intelligence and ability. But then engage in a flight of fancy suggesting that he has the "integrity" to appoint a relative youngster to a position for which he has demonstrated no aptitude. And then you further suggest he would defer to his son when it comes to offensive philosophy. Again, there is no evidence to support that theory. If a business owner grooms his son to succeed him I think there is a fair debate over the wisdom of that move. But to suggest that should be done at a public University where the reward is millions for the son, but the cost could be monumental damage to the program, is beyond "reasoned" thinking.
 
3 years ago I was supportive of KF, BUT I wanted tweaks, because I too liked a lot of the off field attributes KF had (note the past tense). But I wanted to be excited for fall Saturday's again. I wanted the personnel changes, particularly the OC. We got that change, but nothing was "tweaked"... sure there were changes of sorts in scheme, but we have regressed miserably. Bad fit? Doesn't matter, too late to try a whole new approach with a new OC again.

We are broken. We are going to continue to recruit the same type of kids, good, great, and bust, no matter who is in charge. Any decent coach we hire will still prepare them favorably. We are still Iowa. It's then how they are coached on game day.

We need change....at the top...in this day and age, we are almost in a no win situation. At some point KF does become a "lame duck" and recruiting will deteriorate anyway...change in the next year or two can bring us back to a top 25 team much sooner than riding the contract out. The cost of the buyout may be much cheaper in the long run than 5 (plus)more seasons of underperforming like we have.

I will cheer for the Hawks to win regardless of who's in charge, but I do think it's time.

Meantime, prove me wrong KF and GD...show us some enthusiasm and excitement on the field this weekend. Make NW "beat" you. Carry yourselves with some swagger, and for crying out loud...DEFEND YOUR HOUSE!
 
rollingthunder said:
You guys are all right. We should just stop playing football at Iowa. We have no chance of ever competing with any program above the level of Regina Middle School. No coach in their right mind would ever consider coming here, and even if they did, we could certainly never dream of landing one of the 2 or 3 coaches on the planet capable of producing competent, exciting, and moderately successful football.

It is absolute futility for Iowa fans to ever expect anything better than 6-6 and the occasional toilet bowl. With our limited resources and fan support it's incredible that we can even afford to pay the electric bill that keeps the scoreboard running. Iowa football will surely cease to exist once Kirk Ferentz is no longer involved with the program. It's the absolute miracle of miracles that Iowa football was somehow, someway able to struggle and survive for 110 years before the greatest football mind of our generation was able to resurrect it from the ashes of utter obscurity and lead us into the Golden Age that we are currently experiencing.

Thank God for Kirk Ferentz, because Lord knows that he is the one unique, indispensable individual that has ever been, or ever will be, able to overcome all of the daunting obstacles and immovable impediments that make the Iowa football job one of the absolute graveyards in all of sports. No person, before or since, could possibly muster the incredible resolve necessary to perform such a Herculean task. I am frankly honored just to live in the same state as this great man, and I thank God every single day of my life that the University allows me to pay them money so that 7 Saturdays a year I can brave the heat, cold, wind and rain, just so that I can take my seat among the thousands and gaze longingly at this wonderful man that accepts our mere pittance of a coaching salary and asks for nothing in return. He just gives and keeps on giving. For the day that he ceases walking the sidelines at Historic Kinnick Stadium will truly be one of the saddest days in the history of the Tall Corn State, as it will surely mark the end of any relevance, success, contention, or competitiveness that the Iowa football program could ever possibly hope to achieve.
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It's funny because it's true...we SHOULD stop playing football at Iowa.
 
83Hawk said:
Well...Davis has been talking for quite some time about wanting to use both QB's and getting CJ more playing time, but Kirk is always "we'll see" etc. Someone posted a bunch of quotes for each man in another thread...it was obvious who wanted to give CJ more time and who didn't.
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So..you're saying KF DOES micro-manage? Or ONLY micro-manages the QBs? Or...just what are you saying?

Quotes are great. If you ONLY believe KFs quotes, he doesn't spend much time with the offense...but whenever a bad play is dialed up, he takes the blame at presser/post-games/etc.

If you believe GD, KF, quite possibly, would rather not recruit anyone with skill, size, strength or "color" (be it skin color, personality or "off-color").

Meanwhile, KF is NEVER talked about for things on the D side. Our horrific tackling against Maryland has been blamed on inexperience, over-pursuit, blah blah blah, but KF is pretty much in the cleat on it.

Damn, this is confusing.
 
Sparky said:
you better be careful throwing out facts to this group of people, especially Bob, they might learn something.
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Yeah, I learned KF needs to go no matter what, money grows on trees (ESPECIALLY in Iowa City) and Kirk micro-manages the QBs but nothing else.

Some of you guys are almost as good as Mr Rogers was...
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
I believe kirk said in a presser this year that he is much more involved with the offense. this has been disputed by kirk fans for years. Mostly bob.
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Need to reread, sport. He said he's hardly involved, drops in to meetings on occasion, etc.

Nothing like twisting words, though.
 
docholihawk said:
When your anger and condemnation shows through on a message board as yours is it might be time to look in the mirror and see what's driving it. I mistakenly thought message boards liked different opinions. Would you be happy if Iowa stopped playing football and we could all come here and you could tell us what to think and do. I'm sure 100's will want to sign up for that.
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Pretty sure it's an alt...of similar grain as another "thunderous" poster...
 
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