View of HN is quite funny.

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Well I do think it is time for him to go, as every coach reaches that point where it is just better to move on. I will never be a pitchfork kind of guy though, just not my style....

Fair enough. So would you say its because kirk is getting worse or that the same things keep happening?

 

[Jjgoiowa11]

Don't be afraid to hit that little green button in the corner, Chief.

Doctor
Tom
Davis

 

[Jjgoiowa11]

Doctor
Tom
Davis

Aka john wooden of the midwest

 

[rollingthunder]

Doctor
Tom
Davis

Liked to play golf

Named his kid Keno (Seriously, WTH is THAT about?)

 

[koralakers]

I almost never go to the Rivals board but they seem to all be loyalists over there.

That's because you get Das Boot if you ever say anything remotely negative on scout or rivals. Here, Jon actually allows you to speak your mind, as long as no personal attacks/threats/or vulgarities.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

yes, those idiots actually root for their program....what are they thinking? Don't they know that firing the coach is always the perfect answer to building a winning program at Iowa? Mr. Davis in bb is a perfect example....that firing took Iowa bb to new heights ...so it is basically a gurantee that the next coach at Iowa will win more games than KF, right?

My goodness; if you can't understand that fans who are upset because their program is underperforming and are demanding change, or at least accountability, are fans that ARE rooting for their program. They are rooting for their program to get better.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Don't give me that crap. I guarantee you $4M/yr would buy us something way better than Bob Fricking Commings. $4M/yr, even in today's market, would buy you something a lot closer to Forest Fricking Evashevski.

58646, only the U of I is willing to guarantee $4 mil, per....almost.

 

[deanvogs]

Fair enough. So would you say its because kirk is getting worse or that the same things keep happening?

I think it is because his overall scheme just doesn't work today like it did 12 years ago, and to an extent 6 years ago. This playing for the D to win games just doesn't cut it with so many explosive offenses out there now. I thought when he brought in GD, he understood this and was going to try to address it. Yet it is like every time KF wants to go outside of his box, if he hits any adversity at all, he reverts back to his comfort.

Now I'm not gonna kill him on here like many, as this is simply human nature. I think he just can't get past the fact that good/great D + field position football will always win out. His theory on this has been proven wrong far too many time over the last 4 years, and even over the last 10 years really.

 

[RocknRollface]

With all due respect, you're missing the point. People like OoTH and I have been patient. This isn't the beginning of our lust for a new staff like it is for some people.

Ive always given Kirk credit for one thing, being a very good evalutator of highschool talent.

For me, around 05/06 I started to realize that his ability to identify overlooked talent had been misconstrued as good coaching. Way to many obvious problems for him to really have been a good coach. He had allot of good players and was doing so so with them.

Around 2010 I realized he was acutally a very poor coach incapable of any flexibilty and that success on the field was mostly in spite of him and was clearly not going to be a frequent thing.

Then he hired Greg Davis.

The fact that so many clung to the idea of him being a good coach for so long is an intersting study on the power of first impressions on the human mind.

 

[vork22]

I have always been critical of Ferentz. I think he is obviously overpaid but I don't necessarily want him gone. My problem with Ferentz has always been the lack of emotion win or lose. I want a coach who shows excitement when we pull an upset but also will pull subtle Hayden rage on a reporter after a loss. Not because he has Mike Stoops syndrome but because he loves Iowa football and has passion. I don't feel that with Ferentz.
Where I differ with most on this forum is I don't think Ferentz sits in his office and dreams up ways to hold back young talent or how to make the offense look more stale. Perhaps a player like Willies who to us looks like a beast might screw up blocks or not run correct routes in practice. We see one big play by young players and think that they must be Calvin Johnson and that Ferentz has to be blind.
Also consider the possibilities with a new head coach. We could become a team like Michigan or how about Colorado some of us are old enough to remember when they were good. Do we really want to stomach 2-3 years of 5-7 or worse while a new regime comes in just to get back to an 8-4 type team?
The grass isn't always greener.

 

[RocknRollface]

yes, those idiots actually root for their program....what are they thinking? Don't they know that firing the coach is always the perfect answer to building a winning program at Iowa? Mr. Davis in bb is a perfect example....that firing took Iowa bb to new heights ...so it is basically a gurantee that the next coach at Iowa will win more games than KF, right?

Honestly I couldn't care less about the difference between winning 4 and 7 games a year. Its meaningless. 7 should be considered an ok rebuilding year evey once in a while in this weak conference. Not something to strive for like were Isu or something.

The only thing to play for is winning conference championships. If thats not a likely reality to even compete for that then you change things and keep changing them untill that is the direction you are headed in.

We are headed in the opposite direction.

Tom Davis plateaued at above average and basically stayed there, if Kirk was above average we aren't having this conversation. Kirk is bottoming out at below average to poor. People need to open up to reality.

Do you understand we have sunk to the level of Minnesota, Purdue, ect? Iowa is one of those teams now. We are not a team to be taken seriously.

If this is what we are willing to accept than there is basically nothing to lose because any Mac coach could come in and accomplish what KF is doing at this point which is averaging 5 losses for the last ten years.

 

[RocknRollface]

OOTH,

I really thought you, of all people, would be above the "I told you so" stance (tongue in cheek). I've soured on KF for the GD debacle and it's what I believe will bring KF down. I kept saying, let's give it 2014 to see what ole GD can do. He's got a nucleus back in 2014 of offensive linemen, experience at QB, and a stable of TE / WR's that have potential to be game breakers (Powell, Willies, Smith). This year will be different. The reality is that this looks little changed from last year with a lot more experience...and the game planning is probably worse.

The eye doesn't lie, and right now to this point in the season, we've regressed offensively. We don't run the ball as well and the only thing we have improved is our completion percentage as we don't go downfield with any consistency. My main beef is the game plans and the inability to adjust...or adjust in the wrong direction. Not running the ball in Q4 at Maryland was a travesty. Not throwing the ball downfield against ISU was a travesty....and not being able to scheme our fast receivers open, is borderline moronic. Have we run a deep crossing pattern this year to a wide out? Moving guys across the field against man and zone coverage is critical to create space and holes. It's just horrible passing game planning.

I've migrated from a KF supporter predominately due to the way he's either controlled the offense or not made decisions to effect change on that side of the ball. I'm not in the meetings so I don't know what influence he has there...but whatever it is, he's responsible for the result one way or the other. Averaging 26 points against this schedule to date is beyond incomprehensible. Our offense makes defenses, that give up 52 points to one dimension teams (wisconsin), look like the freaking Steel Curtain of the seventies against us.

If KF falls, he can look over and see GD right next to him.

And then after hiring a mediocre at best guy like Davis, he then goes and handcuffs him by making him have Ruddock as the QB. Even GDs offense would work alot better if he had a QB who could/would throw the ball more than 10 yards.

Its just flat out makes no sense.

There is really no hope when thats the sort of decision making thats going on.

 

[RocknRollface]

I was wondering when the old OoTH was gonna show up. The guy who is still rooting for Iowa to lose every game that KF coaches.

It doesn't take a genius to make the claim coach X, Y, Z needs to go, as at some point you will ultimately be correct (think Mack Brown when Texas won the NC, or Gene Chizik when Auburn won the NC, or Bobby Bowden when he was winning NC). Every coach ultimately has a time when they need to get gone. So right here and now, I am going to start b!tching about KF replacements. Its official we need to fire _______ right now!!!!!!!!!!

See, now some day I can brag I was a genius. Oh and BTW I didn't read the thread, so I apologize if I said what others have.

No, what you said doesn't make any sense.

 

[RocknRollface]

I remember how some fans demanded that SA be fired...and when he finally left, they rejoiced as Iowa hired COY Lick....and Iowa has not had a winning league record since SA's last season....7 years ago....but hey, we are Iowa, where we absolutely know that the next coach is our savior. Bad hires outnumber good hires, and at a place like Iowa, bad hires leave a lasting negative impact....we are not ND or Michigan, where the reputation of the school will allow for a quick rebound from a bad hire. Iowa is not one of those places in either fb or bb.

Success is not possible when you look at things with these sorts of assumptions.

 

[mysteron]

I think it is because his overall scheme just doesn't work today like it did 12 years ago, and to an extent 6 years ago. This playing for the D to win games just doesn't cut it with so many explosive offenses out there now. I thought when he brought in GD, he understood this and was going to try to address it. Yet it is like every time KF wants to go outside of his box, if he hits any adversity at all, he reverts back to his comfort.

Now I'm not gonna kill him on here like many, as this is simply human nature. I think he just can't get past the fact that good/great D + field position football will always win out. His theory on this has been proven wrong far too many time over the last 4 years, and even over the last 10 years really.

I think during Kirk's time as HC here, his offense has statistically been better than his defense once (someone correct me). Actually quite impressive with many of those years producing an elite defense. Why he doesn't demand the same from the offense is a total mystery.

 

[Benddontbreak]

The Iowa HC job will be like that guy who just ended a long-term relationship and now all the girls want him b/c he’s been off limits so long. We’ll have some darn good options.

 

[David79]

The Iowa HC job will be like that guy who just ended a long-term relationship and now all the girls want him b/c he’s been off limits so long. We’ll have some darn good options.

What makes you think this? Even great programs have a hard time getting their top choices. Look at Texas. You think Charlie Strong was their first option?

 

[rollingthunder]

What makes you think this? Even great programs have a hard time getting their top choices. Look at Texas. You think Charlie Strong was their first option?

Let's start with the fact that only 9 coaches in America make more money than Iowa pays their coach.

So there are 118 D1 head coaches that would get a pay raise by taking the Iowa job.

Nope, no chance we get any quality candidates under those circumstances.

 

[David79]

Let's start with the fact that only 9 coaches in America make more money than Iowa pays their coach.

So there are 118 D1 head coaches that would get a pay raise by taking the Iowa job.

Nope, no chance we get any quality candidates under those circumstances.

Obviously you ignored the Texas reference. And you think Iowa is going to pony up the kind of money they pay Ferentz right off the bat? Not a chance. Especially since if they fired Ferentz they would still be paying him.

 

[trj]

I think it is because his overall scheme just doesn't work today like it did 12 years ago, and to an extent 6 years ago. This playing for the D to win games just doesn't cut it with so many explosive offenses out there now. I thought when he brought in GD, he understood this and was going to try to address it. Yet it is like every time KF wants to go outside of his box, if he hits any adversity at all, he reverts back to his comfort.

Now I'm not gonna kill him on here like many, as this is simply human nature. I think he just can't get past the fact that good/great D + field position football will always win out. His theory on this has been proven wrong far too many time over the last 4 years, and even over the last 10 years really.

This.

Nick Saban has finally come to this conclusion, but for whatever reason KF can't.