View of HN is quite funny.

This won't go well for you.. But I can definitely feel your pain.. I've been saying since "the catch".

Wasn't too far behind -- 2007 was torture, but I floundered under the presumption that the best guys were playing and they just weren't that good (I was 1/2 right). 2008, upper deck at Heinz Field, watching der KirkFer follow his "gut feeling", rather than common sense and actual peformance, and basically forfeiting the Pitt game by going with JC in the 2nd half -- that is the day I point to when my blinders came off.

Ever since, it's been an involuntary, slow-bleed toward my general, agnostic perception of Hawkeye football.
 
I am with the OP and have been blasted in the past for my anti KF post.

People keep saying wait till next year when we have a performance history of 14 years. I do not need to see another season to know that I strongly feel it is time for KF to retire and enjoy his free time. Now if Iowa has to force him to do that by buying him out then I hope they do.

To those that say Iowa are fickle fans and we did the same thing with Fry and all of our other coaches. I might not understand YOUR definition of fickle, but there has only been 3 different coaches of the football team in my life of 38 years. Over the last 15 there has been one. Compare those numbers to the rest of the nation. I would say we are a very understanding fan base. Even if we share our frustrations from time to time.

Some coaches don’t know when it’s time to get out of the game. Fry past his time and he left the cupboard bare. If KF is allowed to keep putting together this type of program the same thing will happen again. KF game plan of “not running up the score” or “sitting on the ball after a 3 point lead” is played out and many fans are over it.

I’ve said it and I’ve heard it said: Kirk plays not to lose the game. I am sick of this mentality!
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

Dont want because Mr. Davis davis ooth.

Mr. Davis DAVIS!!!
 
OOTH,

I really thought you, of all people, would be above the "I told you so" stance (tongue in cheek). I've soured on KF for the GD debacle and it's what I believe will bring KF down. I kept saying, let's give it 2014 to see what ole GD can do. He's got a nucleus back in 2014 of offensive linemen, experience at QB, and a stable of TE / WR's that have potential to be game breakers (Powell, Willies, Smith). This year will be different. The reality is that this looks little changed from last year with a lot more experience...and the game planning is probably worse.

The eye doesn't lie, and right now to this point in the season, we've regressed offensively. We don't run the ball as well and the only thing we have improved is our completion percentage as we don't go downfield with any consistency. My main beef is the game plans and the inability to adjust...or adjust in the wrong direction. Not running the ball in Q4 at Maryland was a travesty. Not throwing the ball downfield against ISU was a travesty....and not being able to scheme our fast receivers open, is borderline moronic. Have we run a deep crossing pattern this year to a wide out? Moving guys across the field against man and zone coverage is critical to create space and holes. It's just horrible passing game planning.

I've migrated from a KF supporter predominately due to the way he's either controlled the offense or not made decisions to effect change on that side of the ball. I'm not in the meetings so I don't know what influence he has there...but whatever it is, he's responsible for the result one way or the other. Averaging 26 points against this schedule to date is beyond incomprehensible. Our offense makes defenses, that give up 52 points to one dimension teams (wisconsin), look like the freaking Steel Curtain of the seventies against us.

If KF falls, he can look over and see GD right next to him.
 
I am with the OP and have been blasted in the past for my anti KF post.

People keep saying wait till next year when we have a performance history of 14 years. I do not need to see another season to know that I strongly feel it is time for KF to retire and enjoy his free time. Now if Iowa has to force him to do that by buying him out then I hope they do.

To those that say Iowa are fickle fans and we did the same thing with Fry and all of our other coaches. I might not understand YOUR definition of fickle, but there has only been 3 different coaches of the football team in my life of 38 years. Over the last 15 there has been one. Compare those numbers to the rest of the nation. I would say we are a very understanding fan base. Even if we share our frustrations from time to time.

Some coaches don’t know when it’s time to get out of the game. Fry past his time and he left the cupboard bare. If KF is allowed to keep putting together this type of program the same thing will happen again. KF game plan of “not running up the scoreâ€￾ or “sitting on the ball after a 3 point leadâ€￾ is played out and many fans are over it.

I’ve said it and I’ve heard it said: Kirk plays not to lose the game. I am sick of this mentality!

The buyout might be steep but if kirk drives this program any farther into the ground then it will be 4 or 5 years till a new coach can get it up and running. If kirk get any closer to the end of his contract he will coast.

I would hate to see what it looks like when kirk coasts.
 
I can accept criticism of KF when he loses games...I do it also. But, some of these posters never relent, even when we win, and say anything positive about KF or the program. We land a nice rb recruit last nite, and the cynics snicker with glee, predicting he will never play or will leave.....these types of perpetually negative fans are poisonous to Iowa football. They have lost all objectivity. They do accept the reality of where Iowa football is.....all the money in the world will not make the state of Iowa produce recruits like Ohio or NJ or Md or Florida....it can help with facilities but cannot change the climate.....but they ignore that reality.

Why are people negative about a big pick up for recruiting. Which is awesome! The issue is that the overall approach to the game will not change under KF! 15 years of the same coaching mindset proves this. KF will never play to win he will always play not to lose. That is to say he will always be a frustrating conservative coach. This keeps low end teams in the game and the chance to win. To me it shows a lack of confidence in his teams abilities.

I for one think 15 years is enough time for someone in a head coaching position. Then again I am a strong support of term limits for our government.
 
Yeah, this season is exactly how I thought it would go. We are very inexperienced at linebacker and have a very AVERAGE offensive line at this point.

You thought the OL would be average, with 4 returning players with starting experience, including an All-American, and the fact that this position is supposed to be KF's specialty?

You can evaluate Ferentz and his staff at the end of the season.

I'll do it whenever I damn well feel like it. You don't make the rules, Skippy.
 
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Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

I was of the mindset that this was Kirk's year to show he still has it. But the offense has been atrocious and Davis experiment has been one big flop. I bought into the excitement when Davis was hired but after Year #1 I quickly changed my tune. Iowa will not have a schedule this "forgiving" for quite some time. As hard as I try, if we can't reach 8 or 9 wins with this schedule then I have slim doubts will ever be more than a 7-win team ...
 
I can accept criticism of KF when he loses games...I do it also. But, some of these posters never relent, even when we win, and say anything positive about KF or the program. We land a nice rb recruit last nite, and the cynics snicker with glee, predicting he will never play or will leave.....these types of perpetually negative fans are poisonous to Iowa football. They have lost all objectivity. They do accept the reality of where Iowa football is.....all the money in the world will not make the state of Iowa produce recruits like Ohio or NJ or Md or Florida....it can help with facilities but cannot change the climate.....but they ignore that reality.

How many major recruits do they produce in Manhattan, KS? Or Lincoln, NE? Or Salt Lake City?

The schools in all of those cities are in the Top 17 right now, and they're all playing much tougher teams than Iowa has.
 
The buyout might be steep but if kirk drives this program any farther into the ground then it will be 4 or 5 years till a new coach can get it up and running. If kirk get any closer to the end of his contract he will coast.

I would hate to see what it looks like when kirk coasts.

Did you read the Forbes article? The buyout is not a steep as you would think. Really good article.
 
Don't give me that crap. I guarantee you $4M/yr would buy us something way better than Bob Fricking Commings. $4M/yr, even in today's market, would buy you something a lot closer to Forest Fricking Evashevski.

Before you get too carried away, you may want to review the salaries of coaches NOW...not when KF got has big contract extension. You better be ready to pay the next guy in excess of $4 mil.
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?


We've been called out numerous times together by posters for our views. I do find it interesting that some of those hardcore supporter that called us out are no longer capable of posting (Banned or moved on). In all seriousness though I've taken my share of beatings over the year, but not like what you've had to deal with OOTH.
 
What does Iowa not have to be a good program? Let me guess youll blame the players.

We have seen how no change is working out. Ill take that back kirk changes a little. A little worse every year. The fan base changes a little every year. A little more against kirk. The season ticket holders are changing.


What change do you see in the season ticket holders? How do you know the fan base is a little more against Kirk. Please, OTH, don't tell me that you get your info from message boards on the anonymous internet. You are better than that.
 
Why don't we let the season play out and then evaluate the program? Heck, even the Michigan administration has more patience than you do.

Yeah, this season is exactly how I thought it would go. We are very inexperienced at linebacker and have a very AVERAGE offensive line at this point.

The next 5 games are huge for Iowa. You can evaluate Ferentz and his staff at the end of the season.
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A hanger on. :)
 
Before you get too carried away, you may want to review the salaries of coaches NOW...not when KF got has big contract extension. You better be ready to pay the next guy in excess of $4 mil.

False.

KF's salary is still firmly in the Top 15 in the country. He makes more money than either Dantonio or Pelini.

He's #4 in the B1G behind Urbz, Hoke, and Franklin, and is only a few grand away from being #2.
 
I can accept criticism of KF when he loses games...I do it also. But, some of these posters never relent, even when we win, and say anything positive about KF or the program. We land a nice rb recruit last nite, and the cynics snicker with glee, predicting he will never play or will leave.....these types of perpetually negative fans are poisonous to Iowa football. They have lost all objectivity. They do accept the reality of where Iowa football is.....all the money in the world will not make the state of Iowa produce recruits like Ohio or NJ or Md or Florida....it can help with facilities but cannot change the climate.....but they ignore that reality.

A little fact checking for ya ...

We don't relent because he's still here, doing the same things hes' done for most of the last decade, with the same underachieving, mostly fixable, results. It's inexplicable and inexcusable and deserves to be constantly called out until it is fixed or he leaves.

We are "cynics" because we are objective. Our cycnicism is a product of the clash between our love for the Hawks and our desire to see them attempt to execute a competent strategy with a competitive effort that matches their expected capabilities against this ill-prepared, mismanaged group that is trotted out between defensive stands, game after game, season after season. Our cynicism is the result of hopes and resonable expectations that are dashed with every avoidable loss to inferior teams, that occur season after season.

Those aren't snickers of glee, they are snickers of futility -- from knowing the disappointing reality that a player like Higdon (or Willies, or Daniels, or Canzerri, or CJB, or so many that have come before them) faces. That reality is the myopic restriction (mismanagement) of player talent, whether it be by scheme or opportunity, due to der KirkFer's ingrained bias against youth / favoring experience over talent -- "what if" they turn it over or miss a blocking assignment, in lieu of "what if" they could score a bunch of TD's.

If you want to talk relentless, these are the relentless truths der KirkFer has demonstrated. Cynicism is the product of merely acknowledging these truths, accepting they will recur, but constantly being asked to maintain faith that all is well, that he will do things differently or achieve improved results because he now has a 4* (actually, 3*) RB, when he hasn't done it with his previous 4* players.
 
How many major recruits do they produce in Manhattan, KS? Or Lincoln, NE? Or Salt Lake City?

The schools in all of those cities are in the Top 17 right now, and they're all playing much tougher teams than Iowa has.

Utah had losing seasons the last two years.....so they finally have a good season and now they are golden?
KSU has 35 jucos on their roster....Iowa does not allow anyone with a pulse to be admitted, like at KSt.
Nebraska has the 6th most wins in college football history....Iowa is probably 66 in college football history....Nebraska has 360 something consecutive sell-outs, in a 92k stadium....Iowa averages under 67k and has one sellout all season.

Of course, Nebraska fans hate their coach also, so I guess we are in good company.
 
I see the Negative Nancy Boys are out in force today!

It's always amusing to see the creativity and originality
as they attempt to say the same negative crap over and
over and over and over and over and over... ad infinitum...
as if it were ground breaking original thought.

Does the Sun ever shine in all ya'll's world? (see how I kinda did that CJ thing, there?)

(this post should be good for about 15-20 thumbs down... I'm going for the record!)
 
Its funny watching those of you that used to call me crazy for my view of kirk. Now are we all crazy or did I just see it coming years ago?

Whats more funny is the loyal kirk fans who now dip their toes in the tub oh so gently with their critism of Kirk. That way if Iowa wins you can back away from that view point without anyone knowing.

Its funny those of you think firing greg davis would solve these problems. Why not though then you dont have to blame kirk. Give kirk another 3 years to find out the next OC is no good.

Its funny how most of you thought just wait until 2014 then kirk will break out an amazing 10 win season. Oh thatll shut the nay sayers up. A lot of you have been talking about this season for 2 years now. Is it how you thought it would go?

I was wondering when the old OoTH was gonna show up. The guy who is still rooting for Iowa to lose every game that KF coaches.

It doesn't take a genius to make the claim coach X, Y, Z needs to go, as at some point you will ultimately be correct (think Mack Brown when Texas won the NC, or Gene Chizik when Auburn won the NC, or Bobby Bowden when he was winning NC). Every coach ultimately has a time when they need to get gone. So right here and now, I am going to start b!tching about KF replacements. Its official we need to fire _______ right now!!!!!!!!!!

See, now some day I can brag I was a genius. Oh and BTW I didn't read the thread, so I apologize if I said what others have.
 

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