It was reported to the Powell Police, tOSU campus police, Title IX coordinator, AD and UM, in that order. That's a lot of reporting and a lot of people who knew about this. The police didn't arrest ZS and they are required to in Ohio if there is probable cause for domestic abuse. That's a pretty low standard but they didn't arrest him. Funny, there's no outrage against the police but it's all on UM. Now, other stuff aside, just focusing on the domestic abuse portion of this, my question is should ZS have been fired because it would help the victim or just to send a message that anything alleged will get you fired? To my knowledge there wasn't another alleged incidence of violence after the 2015 incident so in some respects, the measures tOSU took seemed to work. If they fired him, it wouldn't necessarily mean the abuse would have stopped and may have just cut off all of her financial support. If the police put him in jail, then yes.
Urban only get's 3 game suspension, Geesshh!
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It was reported to the Powell Police, tOSU campus police, Title IX coordinator, AD and UM, in that order. That's a lot of reporting and a lot of people who knew about this. The police didn't arrest ZS and they are required to in Ohio if there is probable cause for domestic abuse. That's a pretty low standard but they didn't arrest him. Funny, there's no outrage against the police but it's all on UM. Now, other stuff aside, just focusing on the domestic abuse portion of this, my question is should ZS have been fired because it would help the victim or just to send a message that anything alleged will get you fired? To my knowledge there wasn't another alleged incidence of violence after the 2015 incident so in some respects, the measures tOSU took seemed to work. If they fired him, it wouldn't necessarily mean the abuse would have stopped and may have just cut off all of her financial support. If the police put him in jail, then yes.
kicker22
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But other than a "win at all costs" mentality what specific behavior did he enable? I agree that Smith should have been canned a long time ago and had no business being on a coaching staff, but in terms of the domestic abuse situation everyone there was partially responsible for it continuing, and truthfully it most likely would have continued whether he was on Urban's staff or not. Morally and ethically by all means he should have cut ties much sooner, but in the larger scale of things this type of stuff sadly occurs on a daily basis and the fate of their supervisors or employers are generally not tied to the actions of those individuals.
I simply don't agree that it is the a situation similar to what occurred at PSU.
HawkeyeMHA
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The world we live in....this decision is merely a reflection of what society sees as king....football, Kardashian’s, staring at cell phones, meat on a stick, on and on....
HawkGold
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The issue ISN"T whether Zach got fired. This issue is whether or not UM properly did what he was supposed to do. Did OSU put pressure on the police. That certainly happens in areas.
His cash flow was one of the reasons Courtney gave on why she didn't leave. He had deeper pockets and connections.
Yes, the police need to be investigated.
This saga isn't over.
Whether it would have helped the victim or not isn't the issue. The law wasn't followed.
Zach for sure was in violation of University policy. Mere mortals would have been fired.
mopkins
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By keeping him on the team and covering everything up...including his DUI that got magically erased, you're enabling the people under you. Hell you're practically encouraging the bahavior.
If I was stealing from my company and my boss knew about it and instead of firing me he just looked the other way...my boss is just as guilty.
ModebaSan
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This is one of my points. Urban Meyer and Gene Smith are the only ones being held accountable. Why weren’t all the orhers that knew of the situation held accountable also. Let’s see, there’s the Campus police Supervisor, the head of the Title IX dept., the college president, even UM’s wife who works at the University, and other football staff. If you’re gonna hold people responsible, hold them all responsible! According to title IX they are all accountable.
thedukeofearl
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HawkGold
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The ISU board of Regents doesnt oversee municipal police. The U police may be different. The meeting was about football.
Sounds good. Agreed, they all should be held accountable. However, the buck stops with the boss - That is Urban Meyer and Gene Smith.
EstronHawkKing
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ESPN's Paul Fienbaum remarks on this. I think he nailed it personally.......
“We wouldn’t be having this conversation at this level this morning if Urban Meyer walked into that room last night and taken some responsibility… but instead of showing an ounce of remorse, he came off like this was a hostage video. That guns were off camera to his head. He never looked up. His behavioral techniques and behavioral attitude was utterly bizarre. I was just dumbstruck by that.
And even more than that, the fact that he couldn’t utter Courtney Smith’s name, to me, shows what this was really all about. This was a good ol’ boy club at Ohio State and many other places. They looked the other way. It came out in the investigation that people on that staff knew that Zach Smith, the assistant coach who was fired, they knew that he was having sex with a staffer, but they never told Urban Meyer.
Urban Meyer just doesn’t know anything going on around him because he doesn’t want to know. Because he’s a football coach and the only thing that matters to him is winning football games. And he sold his soul. He sold his integrity. And Ohio State still has one of the great football coaches in modern history, but at what price?”
“We wouldn’t be having this conversation at this level this morning if Urban Meyer walked into that room last night and taken some responsibility… but instead of showing an ounce of remorse, he came off like this was a hostage video. That guns were off camera to his head. He never looked up. His behavioral techniques and behavioral attitude was utterly bizarre. I was just dumbstruck by that.
And even more than that, the fact that he couldn’t utter Courtney Smith’s name, to me, shows what this was really all about. This was a good ol’ boy club at Ohio State and many other places. They looked the other way. It came out in the investigation that people on that staff knew that Zach Smith, the assistant coach who was fired, they knew that he was having sex with a staffer, but they never told Urban Meyer.
Urban Meyer just doesn’t know anything going on around him because he doesn’t want to know. Because he’s a football coach and the only thing that matters to him is winning football games. And he sold his soul. He sold his integrity. And Ohio State still has one of the great football coaches in modern history, but at what price?”
The shrewdness that OSU had to not release the report prior to that 30 min rapid fire pressor was pure genius. They had their conclusion set prior to even sitting down. What they wanted to do was have the ultimate dog and pony show. Drag it all day and half the night. Talk about what little bit they wanted to (I still don't know how one unintentionally tries to deceive while yet strait up lying how that wasn't grilled upon is beyond me) release the report after the short short pressor and take off because of how 'tired' they all were. To me how they went about the logistics of doing that was the only thing they did right...
But the only reason they felt the need to do that at all was due to guilt. They knew damn well they were excusing crap that never should have been given a pass for. If that president and board would have cleaned house they could have at least had their heads held high. But winning and keeping that $ train rolling are their priorities. There's a huge gap between those and anything that comes after that
But the only reason they felt the need to do that at all was due to guilt. They knew damn well they were excusing crap that never should have been given a pass for. If that president and board would have cleaned house they could have at least had their heads held high. But winning and keeping that $ train rolling are their priorities. There's a huge gap between those and anything that comes after that
Yeah his whole demeanor was just pathetic. Is he going to blame that on meds too? And what about those other staffers that knew more about all of Zachs messing around and never told Urban. Will they be punished to any degree?
But all that's besides the largest point. OSU will not even be affected by this. Do you think one season ticket holder is going to not renew next yr because of this? Will there be any fan/student protesting? Will recruits choose to not play for him going forward? I just highly doubt it.. Hope I'm wrong.
EstronHawkKing
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It will be sickening if OSU wins the national title this year.
judzeehawk
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UM made another statement today trying to cover up how he really feels. For me it was politically correct what he said today but he should of said it to begin with. What a dirt bag!
proudhawkfan21
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If you are arguing with me, you cant read. I would turn it in immediately and try to help. Read. I dont think you can force someone to or make them out to be a criminal if they choose not to. And no, hes not required.
proudhawkfan21
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You can count to 1000? Had i known.....
proudhawkfan21
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Super job of staying vague and avoiding an intelligent response.
proudhawkfan21
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Im stupid? Read your rambling, error-filled reply and use spell check and a spotter. Good lord. Nice try though. You are a complete mental moron. I said i dont agree with his actions but i dont agree that he is the actual perpetrator here. Zach Smith is the criminal. Every crying sally democrat here that twists and turns the feel sorry for yourself argument ignores the obvious. Prosecute the perpetrator. Why create more?
Everyone wants to blame everyone else. One man commited a crime. Its easy...very easy to sit from a far, sheltered chair and say i would have done this this or that. You arent Urban Meyer and you didnt have the same pressure, stress and or worries of being faced with something that was none of your doing and it involves violence and also his ability to do his job. I HOPE that i would have the courage to turn the abuser in and get involved in the middle of a violent criminal and his wife. My reward. Possible retaliation. Violence. My family attacked or killed by a crazy violent person. Yea, easy decision.
I dont want to hear statistics about victims. I understand and dont wish it on anyone. But when it happens to you, you can let things happen and stay on the mat or stand up and fight. Maybe she has fought? How long has she been with him? How long has abuse been going on? You know what? She plays the largest role in how long the abuse continues. Is it hard. HELL yes. Is it easy to get out? HELL no. But blaming Urban Meyer for it isnt the answer.
proudhawkfan21
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No offense intended but his last statement would never come out of my mouth. Lol
