Urban only get's 3 game suspension, Geesshh!

ModebaSan said:
From what I’m reading into this whole thing is that neither Zach nor Courtney Smith were exactly stellar people individually or collectively. They seem like toxic people that poison everyone around them.
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From what I’m reading into it Courtney was a typical wife who didn’t like her husband bleeping the secretary and whose neck got in the way of his grip exercises.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Ive never been abused, so you can argue that i have no right to say what i would do. Ill grant you that condition. I can recognize what happens when a strong woman stands up to abuse. It stops. It doesnt change the fact that the only criminal is the abuser and to make others "criminal" is unfair and unwarranted criticism. You can lose respect for any human being that turns his back on a problem, but its not criminal or shouldnt cause him to be chastised. I just wouldnt choose to have him in my life. Thats the power i have. I am not put here to judge people. Apparantly you have been given that right?
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You are really stupid. Always suspected it. Now you've shown it. For your lesson. Abuse is about power. Zach had it. He was connected maybe to the police. He had deep pockets. She did ask for help and obviously stood up. She was afraid for her kids and losing her kids.

UM and Shelly were apparently afraid of Zach. 75 percent of women who are abused by their partner and are killed are killed AFTER they leave their partner.

On another dumb post of yours, it is illegal in Ohio to not report felonies. This type of abuse was in fact a felony.
 
ModebaSan said:
I think his heart was in the right place, but they talked to the wrong person. Bruce should of explained to Zach Smith that he was putting his career, family and future in jeopardy by his actions. If a women is causing you that much trouble, it’s time to move on. From what I’m reading into this whole thing is that neither Zach nor Courtney Smith were exactly stellar people individually or collectively. They seem like toxic people that poison everyone around them.
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You are making a stretch that an abuser/narcissist can make that decision.

Pls show where Courtner Smith was less than stellar. She's toxic? Seriously? Maybe the other lady involved named Smith. You are StupidHawk are quite a pair.
 
ModebaSan said:
Obviously you didnt get what I was saying. I dont condone violence in any way. But there is only so much you can do without getting hurt yourself. Let those whose job it is take care of the situation, its their job, thats what they get paid for. Or better yet, jump in and get involved in a situation where you too end up a victim, then tell me Im wrong. Like I said, report it, but that should be as far as Urbans responsiblity ends. You cannot control or predict what other people will do. It’s impossible.
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In Ohio it's illegal to not report a felony btw. You report a felony to the police or local prosecutor. Not your boss.
 
ModebaSan said:
I cant help but to try and put myself in Urban Meyers’ shoes. He’s got an unbelievably high pressure job at OSU. He’s gotta win to keep everyone happy, he’s gotta manage every aspect of the program, staff, and players. If I was him, I wouldn’t want or need any outside distractions. Just because of Title IX, and the fact its a government funded program it makes everyone involved basically responsible if they dont report something thats going on. Its the governments way of turning everyone into a wistleblower and we all know whistleblowers are always left to hang out to dry. Thats just fundamentally wrong. Listen, Urban never hit that women, and I dont think its really his job to handle everyone in the programs personal life. Cops themselves are careful to get involved in domestic violence calls because they sometimes get attacked by the one who called for help! I once saw a guy come to the aid of a women that was getting beat by her boyfriend in a parking lot. Now he has got a metal plate in his head from getting hit with a crowbow. I say let the cops do their job and handle it and for government to stop trying to make narcs out of us all. Thats what the cops get paid for. Now I dont mean we all have to turn our heads and look the other way, but we all shouldnt be held resposible for other peoples actions just because a lot of us dont want to get too involved because most of us already have enough on our plates. Besides, you never know when one of these physcos are gonna go postal and start looking for someone to blame, and guess what! You just happen to be one of the ones that he blames for his troubles. My best advice is for everyone is to mind their own business and make an anonymous phone call to the police if you see or hear something going on if your conscience bothers you. But dont kill the pig just cause he saw the fox kill the chicken!
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Are you and Proudhawkfan21 the same person? Same thoughts and exact same writing style... you even liked your own post hahaha
 
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I think what needs to be addressed that hasn't been touched on, is why this is now only about Urban. By no means am I defending, minimizing, or sticking up for him, but why has he become the sole face of the issue. I have not seen the other coaches on his staff that were allegedly made aware of the situation, or friends of the Smith's that may have been made aware of the matter. It's almost as if Urban is taking all the heat for the failures of everyone that failed to do something about the issue, because he is the face of the program and the University.

That may be why I've expressed that I favored a longer suspension rather than termination, because out of everyone involved he is the only one being held accountable and I'm not sure why that is. With that said while it may not have cost him his job at this time, the way he handled himself after the suspension was announced may have sealed his fate when his current contract expires.
 
kicker22 said:
I think what needs to be addressed that hasn't been touched on, is why this is now only about Urban. By no means am I defending, minimizing, or sticking up for him, but why has he become the sole face of the issue. I have not seen the other coaches on his staff that were allegedly made aware of the situation, or friends of the Smith's that may have been made aware of the matter. It's almost as if Urban is taking all the heat for the failures of everyone that failed to do something about the issue, because he is the face of the program and the University.

That may be why I've expressed that I favored a longer suspension rather than termination, because out of everyone involved he is the only one being held accountable and I'm not sure why that is. With that said while it may not have cost him his job at this time, the way he handled himself after the suspension was announced may have sealed his fate when his current contract expires.
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kicker22 said:
I think what needs to be addressed that hasn't been touched on, is why this is now only about Urban. By no means am I defending, minimizing, or sticking up for him, but why has he become the sole face of the issue. I have not seen the other coaches on his staff that were allegedly made aware of the situation, or friends of the Smith's that may have been made aware of the matter. It's almost as if Urban is taking all the heat for the failures of everyone that failed to do something about the issue, because he is the face of the program and the University.

That may be why I've expressed that I favored a longer suspension rather than termination, because out of everyone involved he is the only one being held accountable and I'm not sure why that is. With that said while it may not have cost him his job at this time, the way he handled himself after the suspension was announced may have sealed his fate when his current contract expires.
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Who sets the culture? Certainly the 2 assistants that met a high school coach at a strip club knew what the culture as set by UM was.

I struggle to see your point and what is not apparent.

Who runs Iowa football? Barta?
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Why does ANYONE have to help her that doesnt want to or isnt obligated to help?
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Because they have a soul? Shouldn't you want to help people living in terror and abuse?

Beyond that, Urb was obligated to help. He was contractually and legally obligated to help. By his own words, he values the treatment of women. Instead he lied about this, destroyed evidence, pleaded my brain doesn't work so well all the time, and generally just acted like a petulant child. It's gross. It's hypocritical. We should expect more from someone who pretends to be a leader.
 
HawkGold said:
You are really stupid. Always suspected it. Now you've shown it. For your lesson. Abuse is about power. Zach had it. He was connected maybe to the police. He had deep pockets. She did ask for help and obviously stood up. She was afraid for her kids and losing her kids.

UM and Shelly were apparently afraid of Zach. 75 percent of women who are abused by their partner and are killed are killed AFTER they leave their partner.

On another dumb post of yours, it is illegal in Ohio to not report felonies. This type of abuse was in fact a felony.
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I can recognize what happens when a strong woman stands up to abuse. It stops.

I highlighted the very same line early this morning, and typed a reply, but didn't post.....

When a strong woman stands up to abuse.It stops, and she ends up in the hospital......

Battered women are psychologically frozen in an endless cycle of abuse, and many are beaten to death. They are terrified by their stronger, bigger and cruel husbands and terrified every second of their lives living with a monster. The children are sometimes irreparably damaged by witnessing such madness. They often become bullies throughout their lives and eventually become wife beaters.....

The only way out is to leave when the abuser has gone to work or better yet when he is out of town. Arrange it beforehand, take the children, and what belongings one would need and have relatives or friends drive them to the airport or to a faraway destination, not even letting their friends/relatives know the destination or address until it would be safe.....

Divorce and living in the same city is not a good option, restraining orders do Not work in such situations and the media constantly has articles about divorced husbands beating their exwives to death.....

I know what my brother and friends would do in such a situation. The MF would be in a wheelchair until his dying day.....
 
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HawkGold said:
Who sets the culture? Certainly the 2 assistants that met a high school coach at a strip club knew what the culture as set by UM was.

I struggle to see your point and what is not apparent.

Who runs Iowa football? Barta?
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I totally see what your getting at, and have said from day one that Meyer was a snake and that opinion will never change. But again why should Meyer be the only one who has people calling for his job. To me this goes well beyond being simply a football issue so it is my opinion that if were calling for one coaches head because he knew something than why not go after the rest of the coaches on his staff that knew something and go after them as well.

And lets be real with what went on a Florida, I'm pretty sure we all knew what Urban's culture was like prior to taking the OSU job.
 
Side question. If your CEO says he suffers memory loss and gets confused sometimes, doesn’t the board have an obligation to look into this and make some changes?
 
theboat said:
Side question. If your CEO says he suffers memory loss and gets confused sometimes, doesn’t the board have an obligation to look into this and make some changes?
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Not sure about the CEO but it didn't fly when I told tried that line on my wife.
 
kicker22 said:
I totally see what your getting at, and have said from day one that Meyer was a snake and that opinion will never change. But again why should Meyer be the only one who has people calling for his job. To me this goes well beyond being simply a football issue so it is my opinion that if were calling for one coaches head because he knew something than why not go after the rest of the coaches on his staff that knew something and go after them as well.

And lets be real with what went on a Florida, I'm pretty sure we all knew what Urban's culture was like prior to taking the OSU job.
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I'd rather they didn't start blaming the lesser person in the chain. Frankly the board should get the boot. Don't know how the board is put together for OSU.
 
kicker22 said:
I think what needs to be addressed that hasn't been touched on, is why this is now only about Urban. By no means am I defending, minimizing, or sticking up for him, but why has he become the sole face of the issue. I have not seen the other coaches on his staff that were allegedly made aware of the situation, or friends of the Smith's that may have been made aware of the matter. It's almost as if Urban is taking all the heat for the failures of everyone that failed to do something about the issue, because he is the face of the program and the University.

That may be why I've expressed that I favored a longer suspension rather than termination, because out of everyone involved he is the only one being held accountable and I'm not sure why that is. With that said while it may not have cost him his job at this time, the way he handled himself after the suspension was announced may have sealed his fate when his current contract expires.
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Because Urban is in charge of his staff. He hired smith and kept him on the payroll. He enabled the behavior. Similar to paterno, he fostered a culture in which this is allowed to happen.
 
Ree4 said:
Are you and Proudhawkfan21 the same person? Same thoughts and exact same writing style... you even liked your own post hahaha
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There are several on here that post over and over again with different personality avatars. It's easy to spot. One of them isn't except he made a mistake one day. The scenario is the same. Very rude. What is different about this is that Proudless and the other don't really support each other (self). There is a style though.
 
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