Urban only get's 3 game suspension, Geesshh!

How the media hasn't made a bigger issue over the fact that there's no way Urban didn't know about those is beyond me. So his wife who has been friends with Courtney for YEARS receives those texts and communicates back to her with her concern for her chose not to tell Urban anything about it.. They helped them with marriage counseling (to whatever degree that was) along with just the years on years period of time they all knew each other just makes his story of 'not knowing' about them total BS. Maybe that was apart of his 'forgetting' of stuff that they mentioned due to whatever meds he's on. I mean if his memory is that bad that can't be a good thing for a football coach at this level they might want to revisit that line of thinking...

As much as I hate this, OSU might make more changes in keeping UM than hiring the next egomaniac coach who hasn't been humiliated publicly yet. The next coach will be another hot hire with a huge ego.

No way Urban does this again. I hate that he gets another chance, but overall things might be better.

Don't forget there is a beloved U in Iowa that also is really into nepotism, which is what this is really all about.
 
A few will be turned off by this sort of thing. Ohio State has alternatives that are just as good. So there will be little if any drop off.

They have depth on the fields and depth in recruiting. You are correct. Many parents if not most have the "I need the best path to get my son to the NFL and $$$", so, in the end won't have that much of an effect or for very long.
 
As much as I hate this, OSU might make more changes in keeping UM than hiring the next egomaniac coach who hasn't been humiliated publicly yet. The next coach will be another hot hire with a huge ego.

No way Urban does this again. I hate that he gets another chance, but overall things might be better.

Don't forget there is a beloved U in Iowa that also is really into nepotism, which is what this is really all about.

I wouldn't really call it nepotism at OSU. I guess I disagree.
 
Yeah there was no following up on that questioning at all they ended it all there. After all this hoopla they never got to the bottom of when did he find out about those?? No Fn way can he in one breath say back in 09 or whatever that he and his wife helped them with marriage counseling and then say when his wife got those pics in 15 or whenever that she never showed them to him or spoke to him about it...

I guess we need to remember that this is the result of OSU investigating OSU... It just is. I mean that Mary investigator chic couldn't even use the word lie to describe what Meyer did on Media days. She wants us to believe that he didn't 'intentionally' try to mislead... Well that's what lying is!!!! There's no spinning what he said or how he meant it. So as far as I'm concerned punish him how you see fit it's your program. Just don't pee on me and tell me it's raining.


Jon,,,,,,,,,is that you?
 
No way Urban does this again. I hate that he gets another chance, but overall things might be better.
I disagree. That man in the news conference yesterday was not a contrite man that will learn from his mistakes. That was a man who was annoyed that he has to answer to anyone about his decisions. The only thing that will change is how thorough he is in covering up those decisions that might look bad. (ie deleting text messages, not doing things through email, etc.)
 
The two week “investigation“ was a farce. My guess is they had the punishment figured out on day one and they spent 2 weeks trying to frame the argument to justify it. He consistently misled but he didn’t do so intentionally? Right. Then he followed it up with a lie about his wife. But he gets confused/forgetful because of “medication.” Nice way to use HIPAA to basically cover all the sins. I know I want a guy like that running my billion dollar business.
 
I wouldn't really call it nepotism at OSU. I guess I disagree.

I disagree:


nep·o·tism
ˈnepəˌtizəm/
noun
  1. the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
    synonyms: favoritism, preferential treatment, the old boy network, looking after one's own, bias, partiality, partisanship
    "hiring my daughter was not nepotism—it was just good business"
 
I disagree. That man in the news conference yesterday was not a contrite man that will learn from his mistakes. That was a man who was annoyed that he has to answer to anyone about his decisions. The only thing that will change is how thorough he is in covering up those decisions that might look bad. (ie deleting text messages, not doing things through email, etc.)

Listening again, I'm more inclined to agree. However, I do agree with this:

..., a coach who is widely considered second only to Nick Saban among college football’s best active coaches, is now in significant part defined by the allegations and revelations of the last few weeks, and his action and inaction of the last few years, when he allowed this situation to develop and mismanaged its outcome.

And make no mistake: Pride led to this fall.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...state-but-legacy-has-been-altered/1059469002/
 
I'd just like to know whether it was the matter at hand that got him suspended or the way he failed to handle it initially that got him suspended.
 
I'd just like to know whether it was the matter at hand that got him suspended or the way he failed to handle it initially that got him suspended.

Statement: "Although neither Urban Meyer nor Gene Smith condoned or covered up the alleged domestic abuse by Zach Smith, they failed to take sufficient management action relating to Zach Smith’s misconduct and retained an Assistant Coach who was not performing as an appropriate role model for OSU student-athletes. Permitting such misconduct to continue is not consistent with the values of the University and reflects poorly on Coach Meyer, Athletic Director Smith, and the University. Their handling of this matter did not exhibit the kind of leadership and high standards that we expect of our Athletic Director, Head Coach, Assistant Coaches and all on the football staff."
 
I'd just like to know whether it was the matter at hand that got him suspended or the way he failed to handle it initially that got him suspended.

Apparently, it was the failure to report the incident to the compliance office that got both Gene Smith and Urban Meyer suspended. This is in the report. The Powell Police reported the incident to the tOSU Campus Police and they reported it to the Title IX coordinator who then reported it to the AD. The AD then reported it to UM.
 
So, what does the U.S. Code state are the possible punishments for these folks? Didn't the University admit that they violated the Title IX law? Any experts on this?
 
Key Points and notes.

Meyer, Zach, and Courtney disagree with accounts from 2009. Zach and Courtney are more in line. Mostly from Deadspin with a few comments from me.

Regarding Zach Smith’s 2009 arrest for possible domestic violence:
Coach Meyer maintains that shortly after the 2009 arrest, both Zach and Courtney Smith met with him in his office at Florida to inform him that the arrest of Zach Smith had been based on incorrect information provided to the authorities by Courtney Smith and that, in fact, Zach Smith had not hit or otherwise been violent toward Mrs. Smith. Courtney Smith denies ever meeting with Urban Meyer, although she recalls meeting with Shelley Meyer at that time. Courtney Smith maintains that she has never recanted her allegations to anyone. Zach Smith also recalls that only he met with Urban Meyer, but that Courtney Smith did not. Urban and Shelley Meyer referred the couple to a counselor.

Regarding OSU not knowing....they didn't ask a key element. Stupid. Had to be deliberate.
The background check did not call for or return arrest information, and Zach Smith’s arrest in 2009 was therefore unknown to others at OSU at the time he was hired.

What people did when they learned about the 2015 police investigation: What kind of marriage does he have. No way they didn't talk unless he said, don't tell me.
Ohio State officials learned about it from a deputy Title IX coordinator for athletics, who heard about it from law enforcement. Urban Meyer told Zach Smith “You hit her, you are fired,” according to the report, with Gene Smith saying that criminal charges would lead to Zach Smith being fired. In the fall of 2015, Courtney Smith reached out to Shelley Meyer. Here is what Shelley did afterward, per the Ohio State report:

(ii) Shelley Meyer contacted the Powell Police Department to seek further information about the investigation of Zach Smith; the Powell PD would not release details other than acknowledging the existence of an ongoing investigation. Coach Meyer was not made aware of Shelley’s outreach to the Powell PD;

(iii) Shelley Meyer also maintains that she did not relay Courtney Smith’s expression of fear or allegations of abuse, including the photographs, to Urban Meyer at the time because she had doubts about the veracity of Courtney Smith’s allegations. Coach Meyer also does not recall any discussion with Shelley Meyer about either her or Courtney Smith’s concerns about abuse. Given the closeness of their relationship and Shelley’s concerns, we believe it is likely that Shelley and Urban Meyer had at least some communication about these allegations in late 2015 and were concerned about them, although both had doubts about the credibility of Courtney’s claims, based on, among other things, Zach Smith’s denials and their belief that Courtney Smith’s 2009 allegations had been false; by late October 2015, Coach Meyer knew of CourtneySmith’s domestic violence complaints against Zach Smith through his knowledge of the 2015-2016 law enforcement investigation.


What Urban and Shelley Meyer said after Zach Smith was fired ..... Shows the gravity of the situation and good old boy nepotism. They were afraid of Zach
(a) On the night of July 23, 2018 at 7:08 p.m., Meyer directed a message to staff stating that the reasons for Zach Smith’s dismissal were “Core value violation and cumulative issues. ‘Win the Moment’–most important thing is team and players at this time.” Meyer further directed “Zero conversation about Zach’s past issues. We need to help him as he moves frwd. Team and players!!”

(b) At 7:35 p.m., Shelley Meyer conveyed, in a text to Coach Meyer, that “I am worried about Zach’s response. He drinks a lot and I am just not sure how stable he will be. Afraid he will do something dangerous. It’s obvious he has anger/rage issues already.” Meyer did not respond to the message.

How football leaders tried to coordinate their answers for Media Days: ....Cover up? See first item.
(This is one text block in the Ohio State report but being broken into sections here.)

Thereafter, still during the evening of July 23, 2018, Meyer received additional media reports discussing Zach Smith’s 2009 arrest and a “felony arrest” involving Zach Smith in 2015; at 10:25 p.m., Coach Meyer sent a message to Gene Smith, Jerry Emig, the Assistant Director, Athletic Communications, Brian Voltolini, Director of Football Operations, and Ryan Stamper, Director, Player Development, stating “I know nothing about this”; he asked “Is there a way to find out exactly what his issues were. I know about 2009 [it was dropped] and last week. That’s it. Need some guidance here so when I speak to media I’m not wrong.”

Later that evening, Stamper reported to Meyer that there was no record of Zach Smith being arrested in 2015, only records of a divorce. Meyer acknowledged this, stating “Stamp just confirmed there was no arrest in 2015.” As the same text chain continued into the morning of July 24, 2018, AD Smith cautioned “I would be careful. Do not get too detailed.” He went on to advise that whatever Coach Meyer says on this subject at Big Ten Media Days should be said in his opening statement “and take no more questions on it.” Gene Smith also suggested the following remarks for Meyer for Big Ten Media Days: “As you are aware through our release, we have made a change in our wide receivers coaching position. As Zach dealt with his personal challenge I was aware of two legal instances in 2009 and 2015. This most recent issue is inconsistent with our values. . . . Needs to be cleaned up in your words.....just a thought.” Meyer responds “Thx.”

Emig, the Athletic Communications Director, followed up at 7:26 a.m. on July 24th saying “[t]hose are good points” and recommending that Meyer, with respect to the events of 2015, state “[t]here were no charges in 2015 and I really don’t even recall any details.” Meyer does not respond.

Why Urban Meyer gave that answer at Media Days:
We cannot logically square Coach Meyer’s responses on Big Ten Media Days broadly denying knowledge of the 2015 events regarding Zach Smith with his extensive knowledge of those events in 2015 and the evident knowledge of AD Gene Smith of the 2015 events reflected in the group text message of July 23 and July 24, 2018 sent to Coach Meyer. (As noted, AD Smith says that his recollection of the 2015 events was triggered by the social media report on the evening of July 23rd.) In the group text on the morning of July 24th, AD Smith suggested that Coach Meyer should acknowledge in his Big Ten Media Days remarks later that day the events of both 2009 and 2015 without giving details. Coach Meyer did not do so.

3. We accept that in July 2018 Coach Meyer was deeply absorbed in football season and wanted to focus on football at Big Ten Media Days. The firing of Zach Smith the day before – the first time Coach Meyer had fired a coach – was also on his mind, as was the erroneous media report of a felony arrest of Zach Smith in 2015. We also learned during the investigation that Coach Meyer has sometimes had significant memory issues in other situations where he had prior extensive knowledge of events. He has also periodically taken medicine that can negatively impair his memory, concentration, and focus. All of these factors also need to be considered and weighed in assessing Coach Meyer’s mindset on July 24th.

It suggests that Zach Smith was given special treatment due to his family:
In the course of our review, as the factual discussion in this summary reflects, we identified a pattern of troubling behavior by Zach Smith: promiscuous and embarrassing sexual behavior, drug abuse, truancy, dishonesty, financial irresponsibility, a possible NCAA violation, and a lengthy police investigation into allegations of criminal domestic violence and cyber crimes. Repeatedly, Zach Smith’s conduct was met with reprimands and warnings by Coach Meyer, but never a written report, never an investigation and no disciplinary action until July 23, 2018. While we do not doubt that Coach Meyer respects women and is dedicated to fostering an environment of respect for women in his program, his apparent blind spot for Zach Smith seems to have impaired his judgment and his management of the behavior of at least one of his assistants.

It later adds that: “Coach Meyer’s desire not to publicly discuss Zach Smith’s ‘cumulative issues’ may have been motivated, in part, by his loyalty to Earle Bruce, his mentor.” Meyer himself, per the report, told university leaders that “his decision to fire Zach Smith was difficult because Zach was Earle Bruce’s grandson and Bruce had been a close mentor to Meyer.”
 
As much as I hate this, OSU might make more changes in keeping UM than hiring the next egomaniac coach who hasn't been humiliated publicly yet. The next coach will be another hot hire with a huge ego.

No way Urban does this again. I hate that he gets another chance, but overall things might be better.

Don't forget there is a beloved U in Iowa that also is really into nepotism, which is what this is really all about.
Nepotism probably isn't quite the right word for what Urban was doing due to Smith not being family of his but for the lack of a better one I totally get what your saying.
 
So, what does the U.S. Code state are the possible punishments for these folks? Didn't the University admit that they violated the Title IX law? Any experts on this?

Minimally UM comes out of this looking really stupid and corrupt. They were afraid of Zach, but yet they doubted Courtney? Sounds like they got themselves in over the heads.

He should be fired.
 
So, what does the U.S. Code state are the possible punishments for these folks? Didn't the University admit that they violated the Title IX law? Any experts on this?

It says in the report that it was reported to the Title IX coordinator by the tOSU police, if that qualifies, idk. It also says GS and UM failed to report to the compliance office, if that means the Title IX office or something else.
 
It says in the report that it was reported to the Title IX coordinator by the tOSU police, if that qualifies, idk. It also says GS and UM failed to report to the compliance office, if that means the Title IX office or something else.
I just think it would be funny if the next thing we hear is the FBI raiding some of the OSU offices.

I don't think this is going to happen. Just saying I think it would be funny.
 
I disagree:


nep·o·tism
ˈnepəˌtizəm/
noun
  1. the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
    synonyms: favoritism, preferential treatment, the old boy network, looking after one's own, bias, partiality, partisanship
    "hiring my daughter was not nepotism—it was just good business"


Happens in almost every football program. I think I would classify a father to son nepotism like at Iowa but OSU is a stretch. Yes, Smith was what's his name's grandson but not really a friend. Again, this happens in every program. It's who you know.
 
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