Top 25 for 2012-13 season...ESPN's Katz

herbyhawk said:
its not that hard to have expectation for a top 5 finish, this team will have more talent and more depth, to do better we have to beat NW, Purdue and Nebraska all losses at HOME.
that alone turns Iowas Conference record from 8-10 to a 11-7 record and if Iowa does not lose at home to Cambell and Clemson at Home turns this into a 21-10 record and a tie with Indiana's superior loade team for 5th and more than likely a BD invite and possibly a top 25 ranking.
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So your argument is, that if you take 5 of Iowa's losses and turn them into wins, they they are as good as Indiana?

Ok, well then I'm going to take away 5 of Iowa's wins; Iowa's wins against Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Now your conference record is 3-15, and you finished 12th in the conference, your biggest recruits bail, and two starters transfer.

You can't attack me, because I am just posting my opinion, and you cannot argue with my opinion.
 
herbyhawk said:
is that conference or totals games
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Totals in all games. For conference, Iowa scored 68ppg to Indiana's 73.

So, your claim that Iowa has the top scoring offense in the conference, like much of the other garbage you spew, IS A COMPLETE LIE!

Liar.
 
herbyhawk said:
Zeller started from Day one and White did not start til after 20 games were over, and still made that FAA team, and as you keep telling everybody that Iowa has no talent, yet Iowa still finished in a tie for 7th with that same no talent team. and if Indiana has all that talent how did they Lose to such a bad Iowa team with no Talent. as it was pointed out before Iowa returns 6 out of the top 8 scorers off a team that lead the BT in scoring. as for defense with a solid post prescense the help defense will be limited and the perimeter defenders can stay on the perimeter rather than moving out of position to help out. the addition of a 7' post makes a huge improvement on the outside defense. the D will be better and the uptempo of scoring will improve. you just might see the same type of games that Mr. Davis had when he 1st got here. more bodies means the press and forcing of the tempo is easier to accomplish, and as far as superior coaching. i think Fran will more than prove he is a top level coach.
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so tell me how a 7' center will have little to no affect in improving teams defense?

and here some facts that can't be ignored, Fran's 2 year record that he's been here against
this years top 5
OSU 0-3
MSU 1-2
Michigan 1-2
Wisconcin 2-1
Indiana 3-1
totals 7-8
with such a badly talented team as Iowa is to be just 1 game under .500 is pretty good.
and according to a certain poster Indiana is such a superior team its amazing how Iowa could even compete.
as for MSU and Michigan the losses were on the road the wins were at home. so the opinions that Iowa can and will have a better record have a basis in fact in the outcome next year.
 
herbyhawk said:
so tell me how a 7' center will have little to no affect in improving teams defense?

and here some facts that can't be ignored, Fran's 2 year record that he's been here against
this years top 5
OSU 0-3
MSU 1-2
Michigan 1-2
Wisconcin 2-1
Indiana 3-1
totals 7-8
with such a badly talented team as Iowa is to be just 1 game under .500 is pretty good.
and according to a certain poster Indiana is such a superior team its amazing how Iowa could even compete.
as for MSU and Michigan the losses were on the road the wins were at home. so the opinions that Iowa can and will have a better record have a basis in fact in the outcome next year.
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Stop putting words in my mouth you lying scumbag.
 
OatesStache said:
Totals in all games. For conference, Iowa scored 68ppg to Indiana's 73.

So, your claim that Iowa has the top scoring offense in the conference, like much of the other garbage you spew, IS A COMPLETE LIE!

Liar.
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these are the stats i got from the season ending calculation off rival
Gatens 15,2 ppg leading scorer left
Marble 11.5 ppg 2nd leading scorer returning will be a JR
White 11.2 ppg 3rd leading scorer returning will be a SO
Basabe 8.2 ppg 4th leading scorer returning will be a JR
McCabe 7.8 ppg 5th leading scorer returning will be a JR
Oglesby 6.4 ppg 6th leading scorer returning will be a SO
Cartwrght 6.0 ppg 7th leading scorer left
May 4.3 ppg 8th leading scorer returning will be a SR
Brommer 1.4 ppg 9th leading scorer left
Olaseni 1.4 ppg 10th leading scorer returning will be a SO
Archie 1.3 ppg 11th leading scorer left

for a total of 67.3 ppg
i made a mistake on the output
so which is it on your part a LIE, or a mistake on the #'s. either way Iowa will still be improved with a very real chance at finishing in the top 5
despite your best effort to back up your clain that iowa has no chance against the talent rich teams ahead of them.
not so young afterall 3 JR and 3 SO
 
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herbyhawk said:
these are the stats i got from the season ending calculation off rival
Gatens 15,2 ppg leading scorer left
Marble 11.5 ppg 2nd leading scorer returning will be a JR
White 11.2 ppg 3rd leading scorer returning will be a SO
Basabe 8.2 ppg 4th leading scorer returning will be a JR
McCabe 7.8 ppg 5th leading scorer returning will be a JR
Oglesby 6.4 ppg 6th leading scorer returning will be a SO
Cartwrght 6.0 ppg 7th leading scorer left
May 4.3 ppg 8th leading scorer returning will be a SR
Brommer 1.4 ppg 9th leading scorer left
Olaseni 1.4 ppg 10th leading scorer returning will be a SO
Archie 1.3 ppg 11th leading scorer left

for a total of 67.3 ppg
i made a mistake on the output
so which is it on your part a LIE, or a mistake on the #'s. either way Iowa will still be improved with a very real chance at finishing in the top 5
despite your best effort to back up your clain that iowa has no chance against the talent rich teams ahead of them.
not so young afterall 3 JR and 3 SO
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Holy Lord, how dense are you? You cannot add up the player's aggregate points per game to get the season total for the entire team. Do you have any idea how math works?

Never mind, don't answer that question. You'll probably lie.
 
I think Iowa has a chance to be the 6th best team in the big 10 but with their schedule they can finish as high as 4th. there are 5 teams that will for sure be better next year but that doesn't mean they will all finish ahead of us.

last year we finished 8th but we were probably worse then the 8th best team
 
herbyhawk said:
you are very funny. maybe you can answer the question about how a 7' center won't or can't help a teams defense
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Maybe I won't because I never made that claim you liar. You know I never said it, but you keep lying and lying in hopes that I'll forget?
 
OatesStache said:
Holy Lord, how dense are you? You cannot add up the player's aggregate points per game to get the season total for the entire team. Do you have any idea how math works?

Never mind, don't answer that question. You'll probably lie.
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how else if not adding the players avg up to get the team avg, as the teams avg is a cummulation of all stats then divideng the sum of all these stats to get a AVG'
the avg is a compilation of scorer from all games then devide by that # to get the AVG
as for my background in mathematics. come from 4 years of being a Statistcal Analysis Specialist i was what was called in other terms A Industrial Engineering Techit is you that probably has no clues about how stats work.
like I said you are very funny as i would keep you around for ebtertainment sakes. because you amuse me
with your pathetic attempts
 
herbyhawk said:
how else if not adding the players avg up to get the team avg, as the teams avg is a cummulation of all stats then divideng the sum of all these stats to get a AVG'
the avg is a compilation of scorer from all games then devide by that # to get the AVG
as for my background in mathematics. come from 4 years of being a Statistcal Analysis Specialist i was what was called in other terms A Industrial Engineering Techit is you that probably has no clues about how stats work.
like I said you are very funny as i would keep you around for ebtertainment sakes. because you amuse me
with your pathetic attempts
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Well then genius, adding up the player's average only works if every player plays in every game.

Look, I know you're a liar, because if you were really in statistical analysis, then you would know how to analyze simple statistics. Since you are failing miserably at the most simple mathematical task, your sorry lying has been exposed even further.

Shame on you, you despicable liar.
 
OatesStache said:
Well then genius, adding up the player's average only works if every player plays in every game.

Look, I know you're a liar, because if you were really in statistical analysis, then you would know how to analyze simple statistics. Since you are failing miserably at the most simple mathematical task, your sorry lying has been exposed even further.

Shame on you, you despicable liar.
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can you do a simple math problem by even adding the totals?
 
OatesStache said:
herbyhawk said:
Look, I know you're a liar, because if you were really in statistical analysis, then you would know how to analyze simple statistics. Since you are failing miserably at the most simple mathematical task, your sorry lying has been exposed even further.Shame on you, you despicable liar.
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Oates, it is pretty common knowledge around here that Herby's strength is in the field of investigation not math. So cut him some slack.
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OatesStache said:
Even when White started, he did not match Zeller's numbers. Fact, not opinion.



I never made that claim and you know it. You are a liar and a bully.



Indiana also beat them once, and won 9 more games than Iowa. I think it is safe to say that despite going 1-1 in the season series, IU had more talent than Iowa.



Iowa was NOT the highest scoring team in the Big 10. Indiana scored 77.3 ppg, and Iowa scored 71.9 ppg. FACT not opinion.



Maybe, but you can't speculate like this after getting all pissy on me about stating opinion as fact (although it was stating facts as facts), and then make all of these assumptions.
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so which is it Iowa avg 71.9 ppg or was it less. like i said you are funny sayind one thing then saying another.
and if were not implying that a 7' would not help the defense then why post my comment about how a 7' would in one of your post where you called me a liar?
so which is it a 7' center CAN or CANNOT help the Defense. come on funny boy i can't wait for your pitiful reply
 
herbyhawk said:
can you do a simple math problem by even adding the totals?
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The "totals" don't mean anything Herby. They are points per game numbers, and you can only add them up for an aggregate total if every player played in every game.

For instance, you showed (correctly) that Eric May had a 4.5 ppg average. However, Eric May did not play in all 35 games, he only played in 33 games. So if we wanted to add up the numbers the idiotic way you chose to do it, then we would have to take May's 144 points and divide it not by the 33 games he played (Which will total 4.5), but divide it by the 35 games his team played. This drops the average to 4 ppg (4.02).

Then you have to do that to the 4 other players you listed who did not play in every game.

But of course you knew that, since you're a pretend statistical analyst.

Liar.
 
jackl said:
It is. I'm still trying to figure out post #83 where herby quoted his own post,then proceeded to ask himself a question.
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simple i have not figured how to post multiple post in one post to counter his claims.
especially my post about how a 7' can help a defense improve. then he calls me a liar by using my post
 
I have never seen a poster completely ruin an entire message board, but herby should take a bow because he has accomplished it. I can't open a single freaking post on this board without being inundated with his incoherent rants. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
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