This Is The Proctor Thread

If it’s any consolation to anyone just remember that he was just one player. Yes he may have helped the line out. The season before we had an ALL American Offensive Lineman and our offense still struggled mightily.

It’s going to take more than just this one player to correct the weaknesses of the offense. It’s sounds like we a pretty good QB coming in from Michigan and a damn good tight end also. We already have another good tight end already. Are running back position also looks pretty solid. Just improve the line (remember this is Kirk’s specialty) and the pieces may fall into place better than expected.

I still would like to see a move at OC. Keep Brian on as a position coach. It sure wouldn’t hurt to bring in an OC with some creative juices in him. The Iowa fans are absolutely starving for that.
 
The biggest thing that rubs me on this.... Proctor signed autographs and pictures of himself in Hawk gear for 6 months. He benefited and profited off of Iowa fans all the way to signing day, just to take a bigger bag of cash at the very end. That's some double dip fuckary right there. By committing to his home school early he was able to go anywhere around the state and make money, with himself depicted in an Iowa uniform off of people who assumed he was going to Iowa. Then took more money from Bama. What a scam. There's a ton of merchandise out there with KP in Hawk gear that is completely worthless now. I get it, idiots buy shit for a guy who isn't signed, but the school should be able to protect their NIL as well from this happening.

That's some snake oil bullshit and I don't care if that makes me not with the times and not embracing the new world. IMO, Iowa should be able to sue for that kind of thing.
 
InGoodCo said:
The biggest thing that rubs me on this.... Proctor signed autographs and pictures of himself in Hawk gear for 6 months. He benefited and profited off of Iowa fans all the way to signing day, just to take a bigger bag of cash at the very end. That's some double dip fuckary right there. By committing to his home school early he was able to go anywhere around the state and make money, with himself depicted in an Iowa uniform off of people who assumed he was going to Iowa. Then took more money from Bama. What a scam. There's a ton of merchandise out there with KP in Hawk gear that is completely worthless now. I get it, idiots buy shit for a guy who isn't signed, but the school should be able to protect their NIL as well from this happening.

That's some snake oil bullshit and I don't care if that makes me not with the times and not embracing the new world. IMO, Iowa should be able to sue for that kind of thing.
Click to expand...

To sue, I think you have to have losses caused by the individual. You can't really sue for potential gains, especially in this case. I get what you are saying, but, what is Iowa going to claim to sue for? Also, as you point out, nobody forced anybody to purchase anything related to KP and the loss is on those who purchased the items, not Iowa. If they did, that is a risk to them. KP never signed a damn thing. I personally have not seen any Iowa gear with KP or his signature on anything, so, I'm not sure that anything was out there to buy.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
To sue, I think you have to have losses caused by the individual. You can't really sue for potential gains, especially in this case. I get what you are saying, but, what is Iowa going to claim to sue for? Also, as you point out, nobody forced anybody to purchase anything related to KP and the loss is on those who purchased the items, not Iowa. If they did, that is a risk to them. KP never signed a damn thing. I personally have not seen any Iowa gear with KP or his signature on anything, so, I'm not sure that anything was out there to buy.
Click to expand...


There's quite a bit out there and he's been making appearances since he committed. No one forced anyone to buy anything, but I feel like the school should be able to protect themselves somehow, someway from people running a money scam with their logo.


FkijwU_XkAAzbPT
 
InGoodCo said:
There's quite a bit out there and he's been making appearances since he committed. No one forced anyone to buy anything, but I feel like the school should be able to protect themselves somehow, someway from people running a money scam with their logo.


FkijwU_XkAAzbPT
Click to expand...

I guess you have a legit point about using the logo and trademark. I wonder if that could be a valid reason to litigate. But, it would also be a very horrible look in the end and probably not worth it. No future recruit would take the chance to verbal or sign on to Iowa if that happened.

But, I guess Iowa would be able to get those guys who are all bought in!
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I guess you have a legit point about using the logo and trademark. I wonder if that could be a valid reason to litigate. But, it would also be a very horrible look in the end and probably not worth it. No future recruit would take the chance to verbal or sign on to Iowa if that happened.

But, I guess Iowa would be able to get those guys who are all bought in!
Click to expand...
yeah, definitely a bad look.... again, I just don't see how that's fair. Like, it looks malicious. It looks calculated. Made as much as he can off these schmucks, see ya later, going to Bama now.

So, IMO, that's a bad look for him. I don't know that there is any ways for schools to protect themselves from just that....but IMO, it's a problem and other guys are gonna be like "oh, shit I'll just commit to the home school, make a shit ton off em and then on signing day go to the highest bidder".

Seems like a scam, that's all I am saying.
 
It would be a bad look to sue, I’m not saying that’s the play, and you’re right, it’s always been a scam but now the players can get theirs too.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I guess you have a legit point about using the logo and trademark. I wonder if that could be a valid reason to litigate. But, it would also be a very horrible look in the end and probably not worth it. No future recruit would take the chance to verbal or sign on to Iowa if that happened.

But, I guess Iowa would be able to get those guys who are all bought in!
Click to expand...

Yep, you can't litigate but you could easily bring a claim for the use of the TMs and logos. The other claim one could make is promissory estoppel. These schools could easily claim that they have detrimentally relied on the verbal commitment and been injured by the kid breaching his promise. Another avenue would be to sue the tampering school for tortious interference with contract. These schools all know when guys are committed, they all know that those schools back off on other prospects, and yet they still push these kids to breach their promises.

Again, it would be very expensive and likely harmful to your program to sue under of these even though you might have a decent shot of winning. Imagine Iowa playing Bama at Kinnick and Nick getting served with a lawsuit in the pisser at Kinnick right before the game. It would be hilarious.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Yep, you can't litigate but you could easily bring a claim for the use of the TMs and logos. The other claim one could make is promissory estoppel. These schools could easily claim that they have detrimentally relied on the verbal commitment and been injured by the kid breaching his promise. Another avenue would be to sue the tampering school for tortious interference with contract. These schools all know when guys are committed, they all know that those schools back off on other prospects, and yet they still push these kids to breach their promises.

Again, it would be very expensive and likely harmful to your program to sue under of these even though you might have a decent shot of winning. Imagine Iowa playing Bama at Kinnick and Nick getting served with a lawsuit in the pisser at Kinnick right before the game. It would be hilarious.
Click to expand...

I was hoping you were going to chime in to clean this topic up.

So, there are such things as legit verbal contracts? I didn't think those held up in court, too much. Doesn't the fact that he never signed on the line protect him? As you pointed out, it would be horrifically expensive to try to prove and fruitless with the number of lawsuits. Think of the number of athletes with all sports.
 
I just read that 42% of Alabama’s last 100 signed recruits have transferred. That’s insane. They’ve lost multiple 4 and 5 star OT just this year. If KP took a fistful of cash, how sustainable is that with that kind of turnover? This is wild
 
InGoodCo said:
I just read that 42% of Alabama’s last 100 signed recruits have transferred. That’s insane. They’ve lost multiple 4 and 5 star OT just this year. If KP took a fistful of cash, how sustainable is that with that kind of turnover? This is wild
Click to expand...
Good find, Good. We don’t pay enough attention to “The rest of the story”.
 
InGoodCo said:
There's quite a bit out there and he's been making appearances since he committed. No one forced anyone to buy anything, but I feel like the school should be able to protect themselves somehow, someway from people running a money scam with their logo.


FkijwU_XkAAzbPT
Click to expand...

Lol. Is that your signed piece? I'll buy it from you for $5.
 
InGoodCo said:
I just read that 42% of Alabama’s last 100 signed recruits have transferred. That’s insane. They’ve lost multiple 4 and 5 star OT just this year. If KP took a fistful of cash, how sustainable is that with that kind of turnover? This is wild
Click to expand...
Damn! It'd almost be worth it to have some kind of off the books recruiters near schools like this to pick up the players who'd fit the Iowa system. Just thinking out loud..........
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Lol. Is that your signed piece? I'll buy it from you for $5.
Click to expand...
I’m sure he charged someone who didn’t have a lot of money a lot more than that. He got what he could out of the good people of Iowa. As everyone says, we need to just applaud his decision and wish him best, kids doing what’s best for him. No one should be mad that he scammed Iowa fans all over the state for the last year posing as Hawkeye.
 
InGoodCo said:
I’m sure he charged someone who didn’t have a lot of money a lot more than that. He got what he could out of the good people of Iowa. As everyone says, we need to just applaud his decision and wish him best, kids doing what’s best for him. No one should be mad that he scammed Iowa fans all over the state for the last year posing as Hawkeye.
Click to expand...

You drive a hard bargain. How about $8?
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I was hoping you were going to chime in to clean this topic up.

So, there are such things as legit verbal contracts? I didn't think those held up in court, too much. Doesn't the fact that he never signed on the line protect him? As you pointed out, it would be horrifically expensive to try to prove and fruitless with the number of lawsuits. Think of the number of athletes with all sports.
Click to expand...

You can have a verbal contract subject to exceptions like land transfers, guaranties, etc. The court will draw up what it thinks is the contract but you have to prove that you detrimentally relied on the verbal contract and have damages. Proving either of those elements in a recruiting lawsuit would be ridiculously difficult.

One fact pattern where it might show up is right after a hurricane. Say you own a house in Hilton Head with unique Japanese tiles on the roof instead of shingles. Say the tiles blew away during the hurricane. You strike an oral agreement with a fella to repair your roof and he puts in an order for $50,000 of the tiles. He shows up a week later with the tiles that he had airfreighted over and you tell him "sorry, bud, no deal, I didn't sign anything and this other company is doing the roof and I'm gonna just put regular shingles on." In that case the court can find a contract existed even absent a written agreement and they may hold the homeowner liable for the cost of the tiles and shipping.
 
okeefe4prez said:
You can have a verbal contract subject to exceptions like land transfers, guaranties, etc. The court will draw up what it thinks is the contract but you have to prove that you detrimentally relied on the verbal contract and have damages. Proving either of those elements in a recruiting lawsuit would be ridiculously difficult.

One fact pattern where it might show up is right after a hurricane. Say you own a house in Hilton Head with unique Japanese tiles on the roof instead of shingles. Say the tiles blew away during the hurricane. You strike an oral agreement with a fella to repair your roof and he puts in an order for $50,000 of the tiles. He shows up a week later with the tiles that he had airfreighted over and you tell him "sorry, bud, no deal, I didn't sign anything and this other company is doing the roof and I'm gonna just put regular shingles on." In that case the court can find a contract existed even absent a written agreement and they may hold the homeowner liable for the cost of the tiles and shipping.
Click to expand...

How do you prove a verbal agreement between two that have not witnesses, though? I mean, what if the homeowner lied and says he conversed with the contractor about options and thought he wanted to go with the Japanese tiles but was still deciding when the contractor went ahead and ordered them. The homeowner may be lying to get out of it, but what if he said he wasn't aware the contractor was ordering the tiles. So, the homeowner makes the situation very muddled, even thought he may have really made the agreement then backtracked. I could see how that stuff gets messy.
 
I am in a brief break at work right now so I don’t know if this interview was posted or not. It’s Laporta talking about playing in the bowl game.

One of the things he talks about is if a person is not 100 percent in then they don’t need to be here. Hmmmmm……… what could be be referring to there???

youtu.be

Iowa TE Sam LaPorta feels indebted to program, will play in bowl game | 12-22-22 press conference

Support our sponsors:Ascent Nutrition - ASCENT COFFEE - https://goascentnutrition.com/product/ascent-coffee/#hawkeyes ALGAE OIL DHA - https://goascentnutriti...
youtu.be youtu.be
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Share this page

Top