If you're not scared, what's even the point of taking a shot? If I was going to take a covid shot, I would do it because I was scared. There's not really any other reasons to take it other than the fear of covid.
The health of the people in our country
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It's interesting how strongly a lot of people feel about our healthcare system. Everyone has an opinion. It should be free. Government should run it. Government shouldn't run it. Everything costs too much. Why can't we be like Canada. Very rarely (until recently) does anyone mention that our shitty Healthcare system is 100% the result of the overall health of the country. Our Healthcare system isn't broke. Our health is.
It was the same thing with covid. Everyone arguing about stupid shit and ignoring the real problem. Trump didn't take it seriously. We didn't lock down enough. People won't social distance. People won't mask. We need herd immunity. Hurd immunity is a myth. No one wants to say more Americans are dying because Americans are unhealthy.
I go through phases listening to him. Sometimes I'll listen to one a month when it's someone I really want to hear and sometimes I'll listen to 3 a week for a few weeks straight. It can get redundant when you listen too much.
@PCHawk , I know you say you cannot view the gift articles I share (perhaps you need to sign up but not pay?), but anyhow, here is a good piece about the problems with our food environment:
I agree with you that RFK, Jr.'s idea to make this a priority is important. My big issue is that many in public health have been pointing to this issue for a long time, but the major food manufacturers and their lobbyists resist any potential regulation, and it is especially the GOP who stands in the way of business regulations (as an anecdote, see the GOP response to Michelle Obama's push to try to make school lunches healthier). Is a GOP-controlled government really going to do such a dramatic about face?
There is also a huge chasm between the idea of improving the food environment and actually accomplishing that goal.
https://freakonomics.com/2013/02/how-to-make-school-lunches-healthier/
I have no confidence in a Trump administration, and particularly in an RFK, Jr, who has no expertise in this area, to actually pull off any meaningful, positive change. But we can always hope!
I agree with you that RFK, Jr.'s idea to make this a priority is important. My big issue is that many in public health have been pointing to this issue for a long time, but the major food manufacturers and their lobbyists resist any potential regulation, and it is especially the GOP who stands in the way of business regulations (as an anecdote, see the GOP response to Michelle Obama's push to try to make school lunches healthier). Is a GOP-controlled government really going to do such a dramatic about face?
There is also a huge chasm between the idea of improving the food environment and actually accomplishing that goal.
https://freakonomics.com/2013/02/how-to-make-school-lunches-healthier/
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomics
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomics
freakonomics.com
I have no confidence in a Trump administration, and particularly in an RFK, Jr, who has no expertise in this area, to actually pull off any meaningful, positive change. But we can always hope!
Glass1/2fullguy
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Challenge yourself and go listen to the casey means interview I posted. Get through the whole thing before you comment. The articles you posted is some real surface level shit. Of course we can make better consumption choices. However the root of the problem & corruption goes much much deeper than the simple individual choices Americans can make in regards to what they put in their bodies.@PCHawk , I know you say you cannot view the gift articles I share (perhaps you need to sign up but not pay?), but anyhow, here is a good piece about the problems with our food environment:
I agree with you that RFK, Jr.'s idea to make this a priority is important. My big issue is that many in public health have been pointing to this issue for a long time, but the major food manufacturers and their lobbyists resist any potential regulation, and it is especially the GOP who stands in the way of business regulations (as an anecdote, see the GOP response to Michelle Obama's push to try to make school lunches healthier). Is a GOP-controlled government really going to do such a dramatic about face?
There is also a huge chasm between the idea of improving the food environment and actually accomplishing that goal.
https://freakonomics.com/2013/02/how-to-make-school-lunches-healthier/
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomics
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomicsfreakonomics.com
I have no confidence in a Trump administration, and particularly in an RFK, Jr, who has no expertise in this area, to actually pull off any meaningful, positive change. But we can always hope!
thedukeofearl
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Never have smoked a cigarette in my entire life
After school in the seventh grade, the lads were smoking behind school and the offered me a
cigarette, I politely declined, but they persisted
Handed me a cigarette, I took one puff, and it felt like someone had slammed a sledgehammer to my
chest
I immediately handed the cigarette back and told the lads, You guys go ahead, Knock yourselves out
I unfortunately agree that the obstacles are probably too much to overcome. But man is RFK admit about doing it. He's also verbally saying he's willing to get assassinated for trying. If he accomplishes that goal, Musk accomplishes his goal of drastically cutting down spending, and Trump accomplishes his goal of ending the wars, then I'd say it will be a really good presidency. If he destroys democracy.... then Oops, my bad.@PCHawk , I know you say you cannot view the gift articles I share (perhaps you need to sign up but not pay?), but anyhow, here is a good piece about the problems with our food environment:
I agree with you that RFK, Jr.'s idea to make this a priority is important. My big issue is that many in public health have been pointing to this issue for a long time, but the major food manufacturers and their lobbyists resist any potential regulation, and it is especially the GOP who stands in the way of business regulations (as an anecdote, see the GOP response to Michelle Obama's push to try to make school lunches healthier). Is a GOP-controlled government really going to do such a dramatic about face?
There is also a huge chasm between the idea of improving the food environment and actually accomplishing that goal.
https://freakonomics.com/2013/02/how-to-make-school-lunches-healthier/
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomics
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomicsfreakonomics.com
I have no confidence in a Trump administration, and particularly in an RFK, Jr, who has no expertise in this area, to actually pull off any meaningful, positive change. But we can always hope!
You've taken exactly one more puff than I have.
So the headline says ultraprocessed foods aren't the only culprit. I already know of a lot of other culprits. Is this article worth using my free one?@PCHawk , I know you say you cannot view the gift articles I share (perhaps you need to sign up but not pay?), but anyhow, here is a good piece about the problems with our food environment:
I agree with you that RFK, Jr.'s idea to make this a priority is important. My big issue is that many in public health have been pointing to this issue for a long time, but the major food manufacturers and their lobbyists resist any potential regulation, and it is especially the GOP who stands in the way of business regulations (as an anecdote, see the GOP response to Michelle Obama's push to try to make school lunches healthier). Is a GOP-controlled government really going to do such a dramatic about face?
There is also a huge chasm between the idea of improving the food environment and actually accomplishing that goal.
https://freakonomics.com/2013/02/how-to-make-school-lunches-healthier/
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomics
Is Poor Nutrition a Supply Problem or a Demand Problem? - Freakonomicsfreakonomics.com
I have no confidence in a Trump administration, and particularly in an RFK, Jr, who has no expertise in this area, to actually pull off any meaningful, positive change. But we can always hope!
No, as @Glass1/2fullguy stated, it is surface level stuff. Basically, hyper-palatability being the issue, which is not necessarily the same as ultra-processed. Being able to combine starch/sugar + fat + salt very cheaply, and then passing it along to the consumer cheaply. If our food system is driven entirely by a profit-motive (which it is), then all of the incentives line up for food companies to produce the cheapest, most hyper-palitable trash possible. There is no conspiracy involved, just everyone responding to the incentives of the system in place. The only way to change is to tweak the system, and there is incredible friction preventing that. The friction not only comes from coorperate interests, but also from libertarian types who don't feel like gubernment should be messing with our food.
thedukeofearl
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We might be the only two folks in America who can claim to not smoking even one cigarette
Also never partook, nor have I ever been drunk (have maybe consumed a grand total of 5 alcoholic beverages spread across my 47 years). I had an older cousin who went into AA when I was in 7th grade, it really scared me away from ever considering alcohol and the like.
I'm pretty much drunk every time I post. That probably clears some stuff up for you huh?
thedukeofearl
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Loud and Clear
I think there is some consensus on this issue of food-system quality across the political spectrum, maybe it can go somewhere.
It's just tribal. When one side tried to bring healthful foods into schools and limit sugary drinks it was stepping on freedoms. Whatever the other side says the other one puts down. I think anyone can see this and it only hurts America with these tribal disputes.
Making health and vaccine choices should not be a fear thing as many have tried to make it. You look at the pros and cons, you review the available data and you make the best choice. Logic, data and science, not fear should guide you.
Making health and vaccine choices should not be a fear thing as many have tried to make it. You look at the pros and cons, you review the available data and you make the best choice. Logic, data and science, not fear should guide you.
Democrative Colorado Gov Jared Polis on the potential RFK, Jr. appt as Sec of HHS:
Can't say that I share his excitement, simply because I don't believe the GOP wants to take on big Pharma or big Ag, that would be quite an about-face. But I wouldn't mind being wrong, in this case.
Doesn't change the fact that RFK, Jr. is a charlatan who embraces junk science and is ignorant (perhaps willfully so) with regard to the hierarchy of scientific evidence. But perhaps he can be a useful charlatan.
Can't say that I share his excitement, simply because I don't believe the GOP wants to take on big Pharma or big Ag, that would be quite an about-face. But I wouldn't mind being wrong, in this case.
Doesn't change the fact that RFK, Jr. is a charlatan who embraces junk science and is ignorant (perhaps willfully so) with regard to the hierarchy of scientific evidence. But perhaps he can be a useful charlatan.
You're right that there's no way the GOP wants to take them on, but RFK isn't the GOP and Trump is only the GOP by name.
RFK has basically made thos hos life mission. He has studied all about how it works and talks about it extensively. He's way too deep into it to claim ignorance. He's either right or he's straight up lying. There isn't any middle ground w9th what he says.
thedukeofearl
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Nobody has to get a vaccine shot
And Nobody has the right to deny folk the right to get a shot
Polio, Measles, Chickenpox were wiped out by a vaccine
Smallpox was eradicated because of a vaccine
They are necessary to preserve public health
And Nobody has the right to deny folk the right to get a shot
Polio, Measles, Chickenpox were wiped out by a vaccine
Smallpox was eradicated because of a vaccine
They are necessary to preserve public health
