Temper your Disappointment

My two biggest issues/ head scratchers with last two games are:

Substituting Marble late in both game. Marble was non-existent in both games. On top of that he had been sitting for an extended period of time. Not sure why you put him in.

I amazes me that we continue to run our offense around Ogelsby. The majority of our possessions have been trying to get him shots. We have better scorers on this team than Ogelsby, and so far he has proven he cant shoot the ball. 23 games is not just a slump anymore.
 
smbhawk1 said:
My two biggest issues/ head scratchers with last two games are:

Substituting Marble late in both game. Marble was non-existent in both games. On top of that he had been sitting for an extended period of time. Not sure why you put him in.

I amazes me that we continue to run our offense around Ogelsby. The majority of our possessions have been trying to get him shots. We have better scorers on this team than Ogelsby, and so far he has proven he cant shoot the ball. 23 games is not just a slump anymore.
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I'm completely baffled by the move to put Marble back in as well. It sure looked like he was limping as he tried to chase Burst around the screen, Bo went right after him when he came back in the game.

At this point on offense I don't think Fran has a ton of options, Marble can't score now, White can't really get his own shot. Team still respect JO's shot, just look at the final play of regulation for example, running him all over is going to open stuff up for others and his shot does seem to be coming back. He's looked much better shooting the ball the last few games, had some really tough misses which were half way down. What other options does Fran have? Run Gesell off screens at the two spot? That's tough for him as he needs to play more minutes than Josh and D up opposing pg's too. We're just a very limited offensive team at this point.
 
Look, we are what our record says we are....a 3-7 league team. Good teams find ways to finish out games and we can't do that yet. As a result, we aren't a very good team right now. Does the future look promising? Of course it does. Like boat said, we haven't lost a game we have been favored in and when is the last time we can say that? Definitely not football season. We're going to need to win a game or two in the B1G tourney as it turns out....
 
Iowa isn't losing these close games because of youth or inconsistency. Don't bring that weak sauce..
 
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smbhawk1 said:
My two biggest issues/ head scratchers with last two games are:

Substituting Marble late in both game. Marble was non-existent in both games. On top of that he had been sitting for an extended period of time. Not sure why you put him in.

I amazes me that we continue to run our offense around Ogelsby. The majority of our possessions have been trying to get him shots. We have better scorers on this team than Ogelsby, and so far he has proven he cant shoot the ball. 23 games is not just a slump anymore.
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The Marble thing blows my mind. It's like Fran just magically expects Marble to snap out of his funk when he pulls this crap.
 
smbhawk1 said:
My two biggest issues/ head scratchers with last two games are:

Substituting Marble late in both game. Marble was non-existent in both games. On top of that he had been sitting for an extended period of time. Not sure why you put him in.

I amazes me that we continue to run our offense around Ogelsby. The majority of our possessions have been trying to get him shots. We have better scorers on this team than Ogelsby, and so far he has proven he cant shoot the ball. 23 games is not just a slump anymore.
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Oglesby is not, and has not been. I agree with you on that point. I can understand bringing Marble in late, if you assess him as a veteran player who shoots free throws well. But he has started missing shots more often and has become more turnover-prone, it seems. As long as Marble can't manage to be a veteran who takes care of the ball and makes big shots, then we won't have one of those on the team.
 
JonDMiller said:
They are inconsistent. Which is what I expected out of such a young team
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Jon you have been a voice a reason in many threads, including this one, but you have to get off this "young team" nonsense. In college basketball 75% or more of teams are young. FR are expected to come in and be valuable players.

Iowa isn't losing games because of FR. They just don't have a player who has the "it" factor to rise up and win the game. It wasn't Gasell, Clemons, or Wood who screwed up last night. It was Marble disappearing again and White not even being able to get a shot off in the 2 OTs.

The biggest shots of the game last night for Wisconsin came from 2 FR. 3's by Jackson (at the end of regulation & Decker (in the 2nd OT).
 
And there's still a good chance we end up 6th...ahead of Minnesota. Imagine how the Minnesota fan base will respond when/if this happens.

JonDMiller said:
Wow. The program was at an all time bottom, it's the best the Big Ten has been in at least two decades if not longer, and there is no excuse in your mind for not being 4th or 5th in the league (when the 4th best team is ranked top 15)

And people have problems with my rationale? Lol
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Fran's utilization of Marble is baffling and hurting this team right now.. That is just one of many things that is puzzling and Iowa IMO some of the reason Iowa closing out these games.
 
Instead of putting him in on offense late he tried defense...didn't work. I read Fran's lips when they went to a timeout right after that play...which also saw Marble back on the bench. He may still start but I suspect his minutes will continue to go down and he won't be on the court at the end of close games until he gets things squared away...injury, confidence, or whatever.

HawkPrdatr40 said:
Fran's utilization of Marble is baffling and hurting this team right now.. That is just one of many things that is puzzling and Iowa IMO some of the reason Iowa closing out these games.
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hawkfan33 said:
I'm completely baffled by the move to put Marble back in as well. It sure looked like he was limping as he tried to chase Burst around the screen, Bo went right after him when he came back in the game.

At this point on offense I don't think Fran has a ton of options, Marble can't score now, White can't really get his own shot. Team still respect JO's shot, just look at the final play of regulation for example, running him all over is going to open stuff up for others and his shot does seem to be coming back. He's looked much better shooting the ball the last few games, had some really tough misses which were half way down. What other options does Fran have? Run Gesell off screens at the two spot? That's tough for him as he needs to play more minutes than Josh and D up opposing pg's too. We're just a very limited offensive team at this point.
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Ogelsby is averaging 5 pts/game. He is 29/107 from 3 pt range (27%) and 37/129 overall (28%). These stats tell me that he is strictly a 3 pt shooter, and not a very good one at that (at least not this season)

If this is who we are going to in crunch time and relying on to win us big games, hoping he may knock one down because he shoots good in practice, then we have no business talking NCAA tournament. I just think there are better options to look at. I am really hoping that Uthoff and/or Jok can step up next year and be the shooter that this team so desperately needs. If we had anyone who could shoot just a little, we would probably be 8-2 in the Big Ten.
 
Seth53 said:
Hmmmm....

So, because a team is meeting a pre-season, on-paper expectation, it's OK we're underachieving to the tune of four blown games?

Sorry, not buying it.

Where we should be, in Fran's 3rd year, is #4 - #5 in league play with a 5-8 NCAA bid.

To "accept" anything less is simply not palitible.
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100% agree. Who give 2 sh*ts about pre-season predictions.
 
smbhawk1 said:
Ogelsby is averaging 5 pts/game. He is 29/107 from 3 pt range (27%) and 37/129 overall (28%). These stats tell me that he is strictly a 3 pt shooter, and not a very good one at that (at least not this season)

If this is who we are going to in crunch time and relying on to win us big games, hoping he may knock one down because he shoots good in practice, then we have no business talking NCAA tournament. I just think there are better options to look at. I am really hoping that Uthoff and/or Jok can step up next year and be the shooter that this team so desperately needs. If we had anyone who could shoot just a little, we would probably be 8-2 in the Big Ten.
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Such as...
 
bcl20 said:
20 wins and an NIT birth just doesn't interest me.
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Does Todd Lickliter and no postseason at all interest you? Quit being so greedy, brah!

I just feel so bad for the players, it's not like they're not putting forth the effort, it's just stupid mistakes and bad luck down the stretch that is killing them. That 3-pointer was half way down by JO, soooo close!

I'm not losing hope, and I will still back this team as strongly as I have all season. We are almost back. And btw, do you guys remember those games when we weren't even competitive? That rarely happens now, which is a step in the right direction at least.
 
JonDMiller said:
Wow. The program was at an all time bottom, it's the best the Big Ten has been in at least two decades if not longer, and there is no excuse in your mind for not being 4th or 5th in the league (when the 4th best team is ranked top 15)

And people have problems with my rationale? Lol
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This a laughable comment. Let me get this straight, so the program was at an all time low, the Big Ten is the best its been in 2 decades, and you are 1 game off your pre-season prediction and think we are where we should be? Boy, I feel better now.

Fact remains, this isn't 2009 or 2010 anymore. We have let 4 winnable games slip away and we honestly should be in the top 4 or 5 in the league right now or am I missing something.
 
clicheusername3 said:
Marble, Gesell, Clemmons, and McCabe all shoot a better % than Oglesby. However, the issue is that Iowa doesn't have any regular shooting over 32% from 3 which is pathetic and won't get you very many W's in today's CBB.
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Marble's shooting terrible right now, I mentioned running Gesell off of screens like they do JO, but that's asking a lot for a freshman who's playing high minutes and that also forces Iowa to probably go small with Clemmons in the lineup as well. I don't think teams will respect Clemmons or McCabe running off screens as much as they do JO. Again, I don't think running the offense just to get JO shots is the way to go, but he does still get a lot of attention and it opens things up for other players, like McCabe or White, which is why I'm sure Fran is doing it.
 
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