Sure is quiet on here...

[storminspank]

Here's a number for you.

Of Iowa's 16 losses, 10 have been to Top 25 teams.

 

[DuffMan]

Ten pages of slience and counting....

 

[GhostofBTT]

That's debatable. I just crunched the numbers, and in Iowa's 9 Big 10 losses, they have lost by an average of 11.666(I will round to 12).

If Iowa loses its Big 10 games by an average of 12, then the 14 point loss at Michigan is not an anomoly. On my statistical probability distribution graph, that would put the Michigan game right towards the middle.

You want an anomaly, how about while Iowa loses its Big 10 games by an average of 12, they win their games by an avarage of 10.


Let's look at these numbers even further. In Iowa's Big 10 games(wins and losses), they are averaging 58 points a game (rounded to nearest one). Their opponents, however, are averaging 71 points per game.

So on average, Iowa is getting outscored by 13 points in Big 10 play. That does not make the Michigan game an anomaly. It does, however, make the IU and NW games large anomalies. The NW game was 26 points away from the mean result, and the IU game was 28 points away from the mean results.

Your numbers make no sense. It's impossible for Iowa's overall point differential to be more per game than it is in losses alone. Better rerun those numbers.

Thanks Mike. I added the Tenn St. game in accidentally as a Big 10 team and it threw off some of my numbers.

The new, accurate, checked, and re-checked numers are as follows:

In Big 10 play, Iowa has scored 701 points (58/game) to our opponents 775 points (65/game).

We are still losing games by an average of 12, but our lopsided wins of shifted the total mean to -7.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Here's a number for you.

Of Iowa's 16 losses, 10 have been to Top 25 teams.

That's not true Storm, unless you are saying that 10 of our losses have been to teams which have, at one point, been in the top 25.

As it stands, the only ranked teams we have lost to are Texas, UNI, Purdue, MSU(x2), and OSU(x2).

That adds up to a total of 7 losses to ranked teams. If you are assuming Illinois will be ranked next week, then that comes to 9. The other teams to beat us, Duquesne, UTSA, VT, Wich St., Minn., and Michigan, are not ranked.

 

[papathawki]

I also will be a token hater. Any system that is built on taking low percentage shots will result in overall losing records. As exciting as the three point shot is, it just doesn't create as many scoring opportunities as a lay-up or short jumper from the post.

Lickliter's system limits the likelihood of multi-shot possessions, offensive rebounds, opposing team foul trouble, free throw attempts, and the ability to score when the clock is stopped, while the personnel required to run it (essentially one true center/power forward, three shooting guards and a point) give teams that run a conventional system based on rebounding and points in the paint a distinct height/power advantage on offense.

I am far from a fairweather fan; I've been around for at least twenty years of memorable Hawkeye basketball and not all of those years were great. You can count me as one of the people that think any win right now is a step in the wrong direction, because I believe the system is predicated on false pretenses and requires a greater amount of luck to succeed than skillful play and clever strategy. Since I do not believe in the system, and believe it is a bad fit for consistent competitive results in the Big Ten conference, I do not believe in the creator and teacher of the system. With each win the system produces the likelihood of the removal of the coach that schemed and taught it decreases.

So while it is painful to watch the Hawks get beat up by most Big Ten teams, it is necessary pain. Like chemo to rid the body of cancer, losses are necessary to rid Iowa City of Lickliter.

Jeez, I've seen some bad, bad logic over the years but this is one of the worst. Apparently, after Ferentz's first two years, you (not a fairweather fan of course), would have considered any more wins to be a "step in the wrong direction". Even when things are at their worst, anyone who wishes for the Hawks to lose is what?: A total loser.

 

[HawkIreign]

If Lickliter is here for 10 years, I think it's a safe bet that he's turned it around. Say what you want about Barta, but Lickliter won't be here after next season if the team doesn't show improvement in the W/L column next year.

True but you get what I'm saying. I just don't think he's the man for the job. I read a post where spank said that he thought Alford was a great mid major coach but not so great at a major school, same could be true of Lickliter. Thats why I hope that when we hire a new coach after next season its a guy with a proven track record at a BCS school.

 

[racerhawk]

Go hawks. I haven't posted much about Iowa basketball, but I sincerely hope that they can show improvement for the remainder of the year. I hope they go to the NIT next year, and the NCAAs the next year. They have a big hill to climb. Feel better?

 

[ShadasRevenge]

True but you get what I'm saying. I just don't think he's the man for the job. I read a post where spank said that he thought Alford was a great mid major coach but not so great at a major school, same could be true of Lickliter. Thats why I hope that when we hire a new coach after next season its a guy with a proven track record at a BCS school.

Something you make very clear. Some of us think that Lickliter at least deserves a chance to show what he can do with a full roster.

 

[DDThompson]

One last question. Does Northwestern have a weight program? They honestly looked like a team who hasn't lifted a weight during the season.

Since most of their players are Euros I'd say, 'no', they don't. Euros are afraid of increasing testosterone levels. At least in their men.

 

[DDThompson]

Why any team would ever do that against Iowa is beyond me and they deserve to get blown out of the building like NW tonight. Iowa is built to play against the zone yet these stubborn coaches continue to do it which just doesn't make sense to me.

It's their system. I guess they figure on doing what got them to the dance.

But NW just doesn't play very good defense with allowing 69.7 pts per BIG10 game (3rd worst) but their 3pt FG defense in BIG10 games was at .300% (3rd best) so it would seem their achilles' heel is in the paint. BTW, Iowa's 3pt FG was at .324% (3rd worst).

Live and die by the three. I wouldn't be surprised for a reversal of % at NW. But if Iowa continues to play solid defense, they still may win at NW.

Looking at Big10 stats, there isn't much difference between Iowa and NW. Maybe the glass half-full. NW may be considered the top of the bottom tier of BIG10 teams (along with Mich and Minn: pick 'ems) and the Hawks just thumped 'em. So perhaps Iowa is closer to the top of the bottom half than the bottom of the bottom half.

Of course, the glass is still only half-empty at best. Reaching the top of the division (MSU, Purdue, ILL, OSU, and Wisc) is still far beyond the horizon.

 

[storminspank]

Ten pages of slience and counting....

It's a quiet roar now.

 

[Thawki]

Why Iowa won.

Making a high percentage of 3-pointers and limiting TOs under 10 and playing pretty good D is the absolute formula for Lick's teams to win, as far as he is concerned.

I also believe, though, that NW didn't play very good defense. They are capable of playing much better D, I think, which contributed to our success. Look at what Bawinkel put up. If he had his normal game it is obviously a lot closer, all other things being equal. One might say that his production was the difference. Good game, Devan.

 

[tweeterhawk]

It's a quiet roar now.

The calm before the storm, I fear.

 

[HawkIreign]

Something you make very clear. Some of us think that Lickliter at least deserves a chance to show what he can do with a full roster.

And todays events have shown just why I don't think it possible. In all honesty I don't care about the Tucker thing, I think he should have been booted on the spot after the last drunken run in but this proves my point. Lickliter was willing to give a troublemaker a 3rd chance and he's not even willing to take it. And now we have talk about what to do with Tuckers scholarship. Do we offer a juco? Do we "bank" the scholarship? In my opinion that just gives Licklovers another reason to make this same excuse about waiting until he gets a full roster. And with it taking a good 8 to 10 years to fully understand this complex system I have to wonder what good a juco would do anyway.