Stop telling people how to feel

somebody share a picture mapping how the subjects of this thread hopped from the OP to what we have now.


This may have been my fault when I stated how we shouldn't refer to 18-22 year olds as kids. Steamrolled from there. Not sure if I should hide in a corner or feel proud as hell. Kind of feel like patting myself on the back.
 
I admit that I have not read much of the thread beyond Deans post/question. One of the reasons that tuition has increased considerably (at least from what I have heard from those I work with) is that the government has cut a considerable amount of funding which goes to education. Traditionally, public universities get federal funding and then get "revenue" from tuition. As the amount of federal funding goes away to pay for (fill in the blank with whatever ideological slant you want...welfare for the rich, welfare for the poor, etc.), universities raise tuition to provide operating revenue. Granted, probably too much money goes to administration and other projects which don't necessarily benefit students.

It is only my opinion that not every person should attend university. Unfortunately as much as we think that degrees are irrelevant, they are still a requirement to gain entry into certain professions and fields. We also must keep in mind that wages have far under paced the increase in price of many goods and services. Had wages kept pace with inflation since the 60s, we wouldn't be seeing the drastic increase in student debt levels (although since tuition has increased to make up for the loss in federal dollars, we would still see higher debt levels than in prior time periods).

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a vocational education. I admit it, I don't know how to work on my car, and I can only do limited electrical work in my house. I should NEVER be allowed to do any real plumbing work. I need people who know how to do these things and do it well. And while I do think a liberal arts education is important to being a well-rounded human being, a lot of the degrees that are available now in that area are so overly-generic or far too specific to be of much wide use. There are enough systemic issues in the way we view education and what it is/should be vs. what it is and what it actually offers. Totally agree here with you Okst.
 
These are specific and focused degrees in a line or work that is required. I think many of us are referring to the history, sociology, general biology degrees that people pay $$$$ for that are pretty general.

Somewhere in my posts I acknowledge that. Though my attorney son did get a history degree. What helps him is being Spanish fluent.

I can never understand going to a private school without being affluent to get say a teaching degree. The worst is like a graphic design degree from a 4 year private college.
 
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a vocational education. I admit it, I don't know how to work on my car, and I can only do limited electrical work in my house. I should NEVER be allowed to do any real plumbing work. I need people who know how to do these things and do it well. And while I do think a liberal arts education is important to being a well-rounded human being, a lot of the degrees that are available now in that area are so overly-generic or far too specific to be of much wide use. There are enough systemic issues in the way we view education and what it is/should be vs. what it is and what it actually offers. Totally agree here with you Okst.

If it's a matter of time where you are money behind by doing it yourself, I would encourage you to develop handyman skills. Taking time off to let the plumber in can be a real time consuming pain. Cars are so expensive that taking time off to take the car in is also a problem. Being able to do some of it yourself can be helpful. UTube is great to learn from.

My best example is having a car where I was having dash console issues. The mechanics wanted like 1200 to fix it. I got a $20 console from the junk yard and did it myself in a half an hour. Somethings are better left to professionals.
 
more education does not necessarily equal more intelligence. not everyone needs to go to collage some day maybe people will figure that out, until then enjoy your holier than thou attitude. and don't tell me how to think or feel
 
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Somewhere in my posts I acknowledge that. Though my attorney son did get a history degree. What helps him is being Spanish fluent.

I can never understand going to a private school without being affluent to get say a teaching degree. The worst is like a graphic design degree from a 4 year private college.

Exactly!

Yes, that is a good double for your Son.

People just need to examine what they want, the situation and options and do it sensibly.

My niece just started Wheaton College in Chitown, but her father is a physician so they can definitely afford it. They wanted the perfect small college that fit their daughter's needs.
 
Exactly!

Yes, that is a good double for your Son.

People just need to examine what they want, the situation and options and do it sensibly.

My niece just started Wheaton College in Chitown, but her father is a physician so they can definitely afford it. They wanted the perfect small college that fit their daughter's needs.

Wheaton is a great school. Know several graduates. Most come from upper middle or higher backgrounds. The recent grads I know really struggle with the real world. If they can get into a great scenario they'll be OK. Making generalities though.

Wheaton ranks really low on black/hispanic students. Quite high on Asian and Caucasian.

My daughters best friend comes from a poorer family. Though she has good financial aid, she decided to go to a 4 year Christian school. I can't argue with the desire. She's changed her major 2 x so far and is now in Psych. Not much to do with that w/o grad school, but knowing how much she's relying on debt, grad school will be really difficult and will likely graduate with 200k in debt.
 
If it's a matter of time where you are money behind by doing it yourself, I would encourage you to develop handyman skills. Taking time off to let the plumber in can be a real time consuming pain. Cars are so expensive that taking time off to take the car in is also a problem. Being able to do some of it yourself can be helpful. UTube is great to learn from.

My best example is having a car where I was having dash console issues. The mechanics wanted like 1200 to fix it. I got a $20 console from the junk yard and did it myself in a half an hour. Somethings are better left to professionals.

Oh of course, and I consistently try to expand what I feel comfortable working on. I moved into my brother's house a few years back for a bit to help him remodel his basement. The whole process would have taken about 15 grand if contracted out. I did it for room/board and took maybe 4-5 grand in materials. That included all of the electrical and running new cable and wiring throughout the basement and parts of the rest of the house. Where I drew the line was in capping and removing an old in-wall gas/electric heater. I don't mess with things that explode.
 
Oh of course, and I consistently try to expand what I feel comfortable working on. I moved into my brother's house a few years back for a bit to help him remodel his basement. The whole process would have taken about 15 grand if contracted out. I did it for room/board and took maybe 4-5 grand in materials. That included all of the electrical and running new cable and wiring throughout the basement and parts of the rest of the house. Where I drew the line was in capping and removing an old in-wall gas/electric heater. I don't mess with things that explode.

Maybe you saw the 2 farmers killed doing do it your self farm tile. They hit a gas pipeline. 2 more were injured.
 
Maybe you saw the 2 farmers killed doing do it your self farm tile. They hit a gas pipeline. 2 more were injured.

That's why me + explosives are on the no-no list.

Edit: Enter Joshbrown to tell me that I'm a delicate snowflake. As previously mentioned, he can bite me.
 

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