So which staff member left today?

[hawkfarmer]

I haven't read anything that said anyone was mad at Delano, maybe I missed it but the consensus that I have read is everyone is blaming a few things, (1) KF and team record or (2) Soup "supposedly" leaving, (3) which is my favorite, Delano is a huge bigfoot fan and bigfoot is a Michigan fan and on his visit Brady Hoke got bigfoot to make an appearance.

Most people don't know the facts, but to find them you have to be a paid subscriber to Scout or Rivals or follow a lot of people on twitter and piece it together.

In this case, I don't see how an early signing period would have changed what happened, if you bump up the signing period the schools will just offer sooner. As soon as Michigan knew they had Delano's best friend on board it would be easier to pull Delano to Michigan knowing he was a huge fan growing up and that deep down he wanted to play in college with his best friend.

If they would have offered sooner why didn't they? They could have offered at anytime. The truth is that they were waiting on another player, and really Delano didn't jump up in ratings until late summer. UM may have offered him, but you don't know that. You just don't. Then even if he did flip earlier it gives Iowa more time to find another player to replace him. Also, perhaps you still have kenney as an Iowa commit since he didn't flip until Oct. He had an Indiana offer for a while before that.

 

[GhostofBTT]

(3) which is my favorite, Delano is a huge bigfoot fan and bigfoot is a Michigan fan and on his visit Brady Hoke got bigfoot to make an appearance.

I WANT to believe.

 

[dave3912]

I WANT to believe.

Ghost, I am working on proof, just me I just need more time!

Plus bigfoot has a no-photo clause in his appearance contracts. Working on getting said contract but rumor is Brady Hoke ate it after the visit was over.

 

[dave3912]

If they would have offered sooner why didn't they? They could have offered at anytime. The truth is that they were waiting on another player, and really Delano didn't jump up in ratings until late summer. UM may have offered him, but you don't know that. You just don't. Then even if he did flip earlier it gives Iowa more time to find another player to replace him. Also, perhaps you still have kenney as an Iowa commit since he didn't flip until Oct. He had an Indiana offer for a while before that.

HF, I don't know why they didn't offer sooner, only Hoke's staff knows why. My guess would be is that they were working on this teammate/best friend and found out that Delano was a huge Michigan fan and also wanted to play with this best friend so they made their move and offered Delano.

My point is, you don't think that if the NCAA changes the signing periods that team will change their recruiting strategies? Everyone keeps saying that this will help, problem is that if you change the rules, it changes the game, the whole game. Move up the dates, maybe Michigan offers sooner, maybe they don't. David Kenney, maybe they hired his dad sooner, may they don't. We don't know, maybe people have pointed out to me the only thing that matters is reality, and both guys are gone. It sucks, I know, I don't LIKE it.

But maybe you are right, maybe this one time it might have helped with Delano but deep down he always wanted to play at Michigan, I guess knowing that now I would rather Delano gets to live his dream of playing for Michigan is better than him staying at Iowa just because Michigan didn't offer.

 

[hawkfarmer]

HF, I don't know why they didn't offer sooner, only Hoke's staff knows why. My guess would be is that they were working on this teammate/best friend and found out that Delano was a huge Michigan fan and also wanted to play with this best friend so they made their move and offered Delano.

My point is, you don't think that if the NCAA changes the signing periods that team will change their recruiting strategies? Everyone keeps saying that this will help, problem is that if you change the rules, it changes the game, the whole game. Move up the dates, maybe Michigan offers sooner, maybe they don't. David Kenney, maybe they hired his dad sooner, may they don't. We don't know, maybe people have pointed out to me the only thing that matters is reality, and both guys are gone. It sucks, I know, I don't LIKE it.

But maybe you are right, maybe this one time it might have helped with Delano but deep down he always wanted to play at Michigan, I guess knowing that now I would rather Delano gets to live his dream of playing for Michigan is better than him staying at Iowa just because Michigan didn't offer.

You're right, neither of us know what would/will happen. However, I'm sure they have known about Delano for a long time. It's not like this info/or his skill level just popped up out of nowhere. They've known about DH for a while, and were waiting on a bigger fish. DH was their backup, but they probably knew they could wait. Now if it was an early signig period it would either force UM to offer sooner, which is fine, or maybe they don't because they think they can do better and then its too later. Or it make DH wait to commit and then we don't have this decommitment melt down or worry. Even so, if he decides to go to UM in August or whenver Iowa can pursue other talents. Perhaps they quit pursuing a pretty good guy that would have been the 3rd safety in this class, well now he commits elsewhere.

My point is yes it will change the game, but I think for the better. Make a committment an actual committment, also it allows for teams like Iowa to not necessarily be poached as easily. Like you said teams will adjust, but perhaps it causes UM and the likes to be a little less narrow when offering early scholarships. Iowa has valued Delano for a long time as a prospect and offered early. UM just now feels he values a scholly from them. To me an early signing period forces UM to decide if DH is valuable earlier or not.

 

[ihawkeye]

The whole system is screwed up. From the coaches to the recruits.

 

[NCHawker]

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NOBODY LEFT THE PROGRAM
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(bottom line)

 

[dave3912]

You're right, neither of us know what would/will happen. However, I'm sure they have known about Delano for a long time. It's not like this info/or his skill level just popped up out of nowhere. They've known about DH for a while, and were waiting on a bigger fish. DH was their backup, but they probably knew they could wait. Now if it was an early signig period it would either force UM to offer sooner, which is fine, or maybe they don't because they think they can do better and then its too later. Or it make DH wait to commit and then we don't have this decommitment melt down or worry. Even so, if he decides to go to UM in August or whenver Iowa can pursue other talents. Perhaps they quit pursuing a pretty good guy that would have been the 3rd safety in this class, well now he commits elsewhere.

My point is yes it will change the game, but I think for the better. Make a committment an actual committment, also it allows for teams like Iowa to not necessarily be poached as easily. Like you said teams will adjust, but perhaps it causes UM and the likes to be a little less narrow when offering early scholarships. Iowa has valued Delano for a long time as a prospect and offered early. UM just now feels he values a scholly from them. To me an early signing period forces UM to decide if DH is valuable earlier or not.

I agree 100%. This is the point, I think others are missing that point, but you hit the nail on the head my friend. You seem to have the right idea, it's Michigan that needs to make the decision, not the kid, no one can blame him for his dream.

Others make it sound like we need trap players into their commitments like a girl who traps a guy with a baby by telling him she is on the pill when she isn't. I know Iowa isn't lying to players, my example is extreme but these are 17-18 kids trying to make a decision that will effect the rest of their lives.

 

[hawkfarmer]

I agree 100%. This is the point, I think others are missing that point, but you hit the nail on the head my friend. You seem to have the right idea, it's Michigan that needs to make the decision, not the kid, no one can blame him for his dream.

Others make it sound like we need trap players into their commitments like a girl who traps a guy with a baby by telling him she is on the pill when she isn't. I know Iowa isn't lying to players, my example is extreme but these are 17-18 kids trying to make a decision that will effect the rest of their lives.

If Hill really wants the Michigan offer he doesn't need to commit to Iowa. Most players do this to have a spot. Well that is bull. If UM wants him they need to offer him. If he wants to go to Iowa and have an assured spot he needs to sign his LOI. Either way it's best for the player and school.

It either forces UM to offer, or allows DH to sign with a school assuring his spot, or he can wait and hope Iowa doesn't fill up or UM will offer. To me it will just make these kids that are borderline for UM but great gets for Iowa/ Purdue/Illinois not commit. DH could have waited until Feb 1 on a UM offer to commit and if he didn't get it any lower level school, like Iowa would be delighted to have him.

 

[tubahawk]

If Hill really wants the Michigan offer he doesn't need to commit to Iowa. Most players do this to have a spot. Well that is bull. If UM wants him they need to offer him. If he wants to go to Iowa and have an assured spot he needs to sign his LOI. Either way it's best for the player and school.

It either forces UM to offer, or allows DH to sign with a school assuring his spot, or he can wait and hope Iowa doesn't fill up or UM will offer. To me it will just make these kids that are borderline for UM but great gets for Iowa/ Purdue/Illinois not commit. DH could have waited until Feb 1 on a UM offer to commit and if he didn't get it any lower level school, like Iowa would be delighted to have him.

I see both sides of this. I guess I'm in the camp that doesn't want a kid at Iowa that "regrets" his signing and wishes he were somewhere else.

 

[hawkfarmer]

I see both sides of this. I guess I'm in the camp that doesn't want a kid at Iowa that "regrets" his signing and wishes he were somewhere else.

I'm with you, but he doesn't have to sign early if he doesn't want to. If DH was really really wanting that offer from UM he didn't need to commit to the hawks in April. he would have opportunities in Jan even if UM never offered. But if you really don't want to go to Iowa why commit in the first place? To assure a spot in case he gets injured or UM never offers. Now that's not fair to the school. We all want talent like DH at Iowa but if he wants to go to UM he should never commit to Iowa.

To me this would decrease early commits and decommitting. Just my opinion though.

Also, a side note, UM only has 4 3* players committed and a 2* long snapper. The rest are 4 and 5 * players. Just wanted to put those out there for herby.

 

[dave3912]

If Hill really wants the Michigan offer he doesn't need to commit to Iowa. Most players do this to have a spot. Well that is bull. If UM wants him they need to offer him. If he wants to go to Iowa and have an assured spot he needs to sign his LOI. Either way it's best for the player and school.

It either forces UM to offer, or allows DH to sign with a school assuring his spot, or he can wait and hope Iowa doesn't fill up or UM will offer. To me it will just make these kids that are borderline for UM but great gets for Iowa/ Purdue/Illinois not commit. DH could have waited until Feb 1 on a UM offer to commit and if he didn't get it any lower level school, like Iowa would be delighted to have him.

That is a good point, but then again he is 17 years. Can't really blame a 17 year old kid for changing his mind or the situation changing around him.

The problem I see is that there aren't enough top level talent that wants an Iowa offer and doesn't have a dream school beyond Iowa.

I am guessing that if you ask every single Iowa commit for 2013, there is a school they would switch if they offered over Iowa. Iowa isn't a dream offer/school for most kids. So if you are saying don't commit unless this is what you truly want and Iowa is the only school for you, Iowa isn't going to get too many 3* plus players.

 

[RenoHightower]

Hill's flip this year reminds me of Hill's last year (Barkley). Committed for a long time then got the offer from your "dream" school and flip. This was a bit quicker, but hey, very similar. We applauded Barkley and are mad at Delano. Get over it. The only way to solve this is to have 2 signing periods like in bball. September 1 and Feb 1. That's the only way. Kids can get out of LOI if coach is fired, but that is it.This eliminates late offers to kids that are committed to other schools, but the Michigans miss out on their top prospects, and eliminates a lot of decommitting or early committing.

Barkley Hill had an offer for MONTHS prior to his Iowa commitment. In fact, he might of even had an Iowa offer at the time he commited to the Clowns. I'm pretty sure that he did, actually.

 

[hawkfarmer]

Barkley Hill had an offer for MONTHS prior to his Iowa commitment. In fact, he might of even had an Iowa offer at the time he commited to the Clowns. I'm pretty sure that he did, actually.

Not saying it is exact there bud, but hey if you want it compares more favorably to Kenney at Indiana. He had an Indiana offer then spent a few months saying he was solid with Iowa then flipped. Happy?

 

[dave3912]

Barkley Hill had an offer for MONTHS prior to his Iowa commitment. In fact, he might of even had an Iowa offer at the time he commited to the Clowns. I'm pretty sure that he did, actually.

Reno, according to Scout.com on Barkley Hill's profile it lists in the headlines "Hill becomes a Cyclone" on 4/12/11. then on 6/3/11 it says "Iowa Offers ISU Commit.

Yes, it took him over 7 and a half months to flip to Iowa but he didn't take an official visit to Iowa until 1/20/12, three days later he switched.

Delano got an offer mid-last week, he visited over the weekend and switched while there.

Barkley Hill felt Iowa was a better fit for his style of running than ISU, which is true. Delano Hill always wanted to go to Michigan, someone posted an article on this thread or another one that 9 months ago he said he was hoping for a Michigan offer, that was way before he committed to Iowa.

Point is people are upset over Delano getting flipped to Michigan but yet they were excited when Barkley flipped to Iowa.

Double standard, hypocrites, or whatever you want to call it, either way fans need to chill out and treat all people the same.

 

[hawkfarmer]

That is a good point, but then again he is 17 years. Can't really blame a 17 year old kid for changing his mind or the situation changing around him.

The problem I see is that there aren't enough top level talent that wants an Iowa offer and doesn't have a dream school beyond Iowa.

I am guessing that if you ask every single Iowa commit for 2013, there is a school they would switch if they offered over Iowa. Iowa isn't a dream offer/school for most kids. So if you are saying don't commit unless this is what you truly want and Iowa is the only school for you, Iowa isn't going to get too many 3* plus players.

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying if you think you want to commit to Iowa you should be able to sign on the line even if you think there is a chance for better offers. There have been several players to choose Iowa over bigger programs as well. Just saying. I want a committment to mean they are committed. Not I'm choosing you until something better comes around, but in case it doesn't I want a fall back.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Working on getting said contract but rumor is Brady Hoke ate it after the visit was over.

BUSTED!

 

[dave3912]

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying if you think you want to commit to Iowa you should be able to sign on the line even if you think there is a chance for better offers. There have been several players to choose Iowa over bigger programs as well. Just saying. I want a committment to mean they are committed. Not I'm choosing you until something better comes around, but in case it doesn't I want a fall back.

Gotcha, I think that it seemed like some kids will do it that way to "hold their spot" and then flip when they do get their better/dream offer. I think we can all agree on that a committment should mean they are committed, or as Ferentz would say "don't get married unless your are ready". He sure seems to use the term "married" a lot.

 

[dave3912]

BUSTED!

He looks like he just "sharted".

 

[redhawk55]

at this late date, there are very few top players left, so its take the best available athlete time and live with it, fortunately they are looking at 3* prospect not 2* or walk ons