Serious question.. How can you support Ferentz?

[proudhawkfan21]

Ferentz wasn't a proven commodity when we hired him, nor was he a sure thing. Iowa took a risk on someone and I think it payed off well (Obviously you do too). Same goes for Fry before him. So why are you 100% sure that another coach can't take the wonderful work that ferentz has done and expand it?

I've enjoyed ferentz (for the most part) his entire tenure but don't you think he's taken this program about as far as it can go?

And if I didn't compliment your take on this my apologies. You make good points. I was multi tasking. I don't know. Part of me says I'd like a young fireball coach who would bring in new 4* recruits. I do like Ferentz as a leader of an Iowa Program. I like what he stands for. My values. My type of follow the rules disciplined coach. I am happy with 8-10 wins. Disappointed with 7 or less. I'd die inside of I lost 5+ years of good Hawkeye football if the next hire is terrible. I'd like to see a transition phase being in 1-2 years. Identify a new OC as the heir apparent. Work for smooth transition. But not divorce and fire and force out. The end of the Fry era was terrible. Not many remember but he was not popular his last 2 years +. Its life as a coach. Everyone here who dislikes KF will get his/her day. It has to happen. Not now though. Why change now? Enjoy this era. Change the next hire.

 

[Fryowa]

Who? You and the other cry babies. You just come across as a baby. Picking on people for cheering for the Hawks. Were you up in Canada during Vietnam rooting for the Viet Cong when the war wasn't going so good for the U.S.? Get on board. Or cry for the next few years. That's the forecast. Mostly cloudy with a 100% chance of Ferentz. Oh sorry.

Your incoherent replies when you know you've been out debated are the equivalent to a 3 year old flopping around on the ground when mom won't buy her the Barbie doll she wants.

Up your game.

 

[Playmaker]

---------Wow. No positives in what he does huh?

Oh, you mean like the time he tried to finagle his kid into subsidized housing?

 

[damnfinn]

I think proudhawk just owned ya all

 

[Playmaker]

--------I think proudhawk just owned ya all

First of all, it's spelled y'all. Second of all, what's with the statement....

--------Everyone here who dislikes KF will get his/her day.

What does that mean? Hopefully, it means that sooner or later we will get a new Head Coach who will actually attempt to recruit top notch talent without using built in excuses for not doing so.....and assemble a staff of hungry recruiters and assistant coaches as well. That would be getting my day for sure!

 

[proudhawkfan21]

--------I think proudhawk just owned ya all

First of all, it's spelled y'all. Second of all, what's with the statement....

--------Everyone here who dislikes KF will get his/her day.

What does that mean? Hopefully, it means that sooner or later we will get a new Head Coach who will actually attempt to recruit top notch talent without using built in excuses for not doing so.....and assemble a staff of hungry and assistant coaches as well. That would be getting my day for sure!

Wonder twin powers....activate! Form of mythical Midwest coach who out-recruits Alabama and Ohio State for 5*'s

 

[proudhawkfan21]

wait till @proudhawkfan21 gets here.

He'll tell you how he can support Kirk Ferentz.

Basically, he's okay with perennial 7-5 finishes, losing the GoDaddy.com Bowl every year, and finishing in the top half of the B1G West. In other words, he's a 10-ply ISU fan.

It's nice that you obsess about me. It's cute tho..really Lol

 

[MursenarySkum]

OK Einsteins, fire him. Seriously, who will you then hire? That is the only relevant question. Otherwise, you just sound like whining children.

I kind of hate the guy, but Chip Kelly?

 

[ClintonIAfan]

He is not only one of the most accomplished coaches in Iowa history, but in Big 10 history.

He is now 8 wins from Hayden Fry's all time win record at Iowa of 143. He has 83 more wins than Evy did. He has one national coach of the year.

He is one of only 2 coaches that have won Big 10 coach of the year 4 times. The other one being Bo Schembechler. i would like to see him get a 5th and break that record.

I am greatly appreciative of what he does for this program, and what Coach Fry did for this program in leading Iowa to it's most consistent success in program history. Both coaches have always had my full support.

 

[NikeHawk21]

We have been playing in New Year's Day games against very good competition, not GoDaddy.com bowls. The regular season finishes the last 4 years have been 8-4, 7-5, 12-0 and 8-4. That's 35-13, or about an average of 9 W and 3 L. That is not a perennial 7-5 finish.

Again, the question that Barta must ask himself is what is the up-side without Ferentz. His business decision obviously is that there is no up side. You may disagree, but the decision obviously has been made.

Funny how a KF supporter chooses the last four years to support his point. Didn't want to include that 4-8 2012 season did ya?

 

[gillnh2o]

He is not only one of the most accomplished coaches in Iowa history, but in Big 10 history.

He is now 8 wins from Hayden Fry's all time win record at Iowa of 143. He has 83 more wins than Evy did. He has one national coach of the year.

He is one of only 2 coaches that have won Big 10 coach of the year 4 times. The other one being Bo Schembechler. i would like to see him get a 5th and break that record.

I am greatly appreciative of what he does for this program, and what Coach Fry did for this program in leading Iowa to it's most consistent success in program history. Both coaches have always had my full support.

You can not compare Kirk's record to Evy's. Evy coached for eight years (72 regular season games). He had three Big Ten champions, two Rose Bowl victories. His last four years were one loss/year. Todays records and player stats are inflated due to the increase in number of games. Evy and Hayden went after teams' weaknesses and were able scheme from week to week.

 

[ShockHawk22]

If a Wisconsin or Michigan St level of success is easily obtainable, why aren't more programs doing it?

There is no reason for Iowa (my apologies for lack of clarification) can't get to their level. Similar playing styles, recruiting footprint, equal or greater facilities, history, the fact that Mich St has been demoted to little brother status in their state.

 

[lightning1]

It doesn't make one bit of difference if anyone here supports him or not. Barta took that decision out of your hands a long time ago. It makes no difference if you stop buying tickets. The reason KF can keep a garbage OC like Davis is because we have an absolutely gutless AD. An AD that doesn't hold anyone accountable, unless you're a woman and he feels like he can bully you. Then he's real tough. Barta is KF's little b****! As long as that's the reality, KF will be here.

 

[ssckelley]

There is no reason for Iowa (my apologies for lack of clarification) can't get to their level. Similar playing styles, recruiting footprint, equal or greater facilities, history, the fact that Mich St has been demoted to little brother status in their state.

Iowa's recruiting footprint is not anywhere close to Wisconsin or Michigan State's. Wisconsin is almost twice the size of Iowa's and is the only power 5 football school in the state, Michigan is 3 times the size of Iowa's. There is not enough D1 football talent in the state of Iowa to support 1 power 5 team, let alone 2.

 

[HawkGold]

Iowa's recruiting footprint is not anywhere close to Wisconsin or Michigan State's. Wisconsin is almost twice the size of Iowa's and is the only power 5 football school in the state, Michigan is 3 times the size of Iowa's. There is not enough D1 football talent in the state of Iowa to support 1 power 5 team, let alone 2.

I think you miss a key point. It doesn't really matter. Wisky home towns.
Not a lot of none lineman on the roster, except for WR and TE's.

Michigans roster isn't exactly overwhelming with Michigan players and you left out WMU, CMU, EMU. I think that there are more Wisky players on Wisky than Michigan players on UM.

Rochester, IL is a very small town that plays 4 A football in IL out of 8 classes. There are a lot of D1 players from that school. Towns like that do exist in Iowa. Iowa could have used the Rochester QB in the Big this year. However, you won't find many Rochester players on the edges.

The problem with recruiting is on KF and his style. You can't tell me that Iowa couldn't recruit St. Louis, KC, Omaha, and Indy for speed. Following track, you can't tell me they can't find speed in places like Columbia, MO, Bloominton/Normal, Decatur, Evansville and places. He chooses not to do it. His teams are what he wants them to be. In a lot of years, Iowa is going to be short on speed with a few injuries of defections.

 

[ShockHawk22]

Iowa's recruiting footprint is not anywhere close to Wisconsin or Michigan State's. Wisconsin is almost twice the size of Iowa's and is the only power 5 football school in the state, Michigan is 3 times the size of Iowa's. There is not enough D1 football talent in the state of Iowa to support 1 power 5 team, let alone 2.

In state footprints, I agree. But Iowa does a good job of finding recruits out of state. Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa all recruit the same areas in the Midwest. Now whether we get those recruits (In my opinion) is on our lack of emphasis we put on it. But more times than not, Iowa is in the same areas as these schools.

 

[ssckelley]

Michigans roster isn't exactly overwhelming with Michigan players and you left out WMU, CMU, EMU.

Those are not power 5 football programs.

The problem with recruiting is on KF and his style. You can't tell me that Iowa couldn't recruit St. Louis, KC, Omaha, and Indy for speed. Following track, you can't tell me they can't find speed in places like Columbia, MO, Bloominton/Normal, Decatur, Evansville and places. He chooses not to do it. His teams are what he wants them to be. In a lot of years, Iowa is going to be short on speed with a few injuries of defections.

That's the point, to be successful at Iowa you have recruit out of state. You cannot convince me Iowa has a similar recruiting footprint as Wisconsin and Michigan State. On average I think Iowa produces maybe 10-15 D1 players per year and they have to compete against Iowa State for them. Those other cities you mentioned are being recruited heavily by many other schools. KF won't be out recruiting Nebraska for athletes in Omaha anytime soon.

 

[ssckelley]

In state footprints, I agree. But Iowa does a good job of finding recruits out of state. Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa all recruit the same areas in the Midwest. Now whether we get those recruits (In my opinion) is on our lack of emphasis we put on it. But more times than not, Iowa is in the same areas as these schools.

Sure they do but that's a recruiting footprint that the coaches have had to create. Yes they are competing with the other schools for that talent but each of those schools own the local talent. Iowa might get a recruit or 2 out of Wisconsin but how many times have we seen a recruit decommit once Wisconsin came a calling?

 

[ShockHawk22]

And if I didn't compliment your take on this my apologies. You make good points. I was multi tasking. I don't know. Part of me says I'd like a young fireball coach who would bring in new 4* recruits. I do like Ferentz as a leader of an Iowa Program. I like what he stands for. My values. My type of follow the rules disciplined coach. I am happy with 8-10 wins. Disappointed with 7 or less. I'd die inside of I lost 5+ years of good Hawkeye football if the next hire is terrible. I'd like to see a transition phase being in 1-2 years. Identify a new OC as the heir apparent. Work for smooth transition. But not divorce and fire and force out. The end of the Fry era was terrible. Not many remember but he was not popular his last 2 years +. Its life as a coach. Everyone here who dislikes KF will get his/her day. It has to happen. Not now though. Why change now? Enjoy this era. Change the next hire.

I agree Kirk seems like a good guy. I haven't heard many situations where he comes off as a dirt bag like Stoops in his recent activities. I would like all of our coaches to show his class. But we could find someone to do the same.

The only reason I don't want KF to retire is because I don't want him to go out like this. Whether you agree or not, the last 6 years of post season games have tarnished some of his legacy. I would like him to ride off in the sunset like he deserves for what he has built here. Last year would have been a great scenario if he won the Rose, or if we had at least a respectable performance.

Unfortunately, I don't think he has another year like that in him. MANY things went out way last year and most important thing was a weak schedule. The schedule is only going to get more difficult as Ohio State comes back on it, resurgence on Michigan/Penn St, continued improvement of Wisconsin and always tough rivalry games vs Minnesota/ Nebraska/ Northwestern. I think Michigan state will bounce back and Illinois could be a factor is Lovie Smith pulls his head out of his ass (pry not tho).

The Big Ten appears to be rising and it's going to be harder to maintain this level of success. I think it's easier to build momentum than it is to maintain it.

 

[ShockHawk22]

Sure they do but that's a recruiting footprint that the coaches have had to create. Yes they are competing with the other schools for that talent but each of those schools own the local talent. Iowa might get a recruit or 2 out of Wisconsin but how many times have we seen a recruit decommit once Wisconsin came a calling?

I can remember 1, and it still haunts me to this day......Damn you fake punt!!!!

And I have a hard time believing Wisconsin has an insane amount More talent than Iowa does. Michigan pry does, but I'm guessing most of the top end talent goes to the wolverines