Rob How many current players were committed to other teams?

[Hawk5656]

Copy so we are supposed to implement Bama policies then because we aren't on MSU's level. Makes complete sense.

I see you are going for another 10 pages pissing match which is just sweet for everyone around here to read. And you wonder why I think you are Vin.

It doesn't have to be a 10 page pissing match. You could just admit it's a stupid policy considering almost every fan plus local and national media agree with me on it instead of just blindly defending Ferentz.

 

[deanvogs]

It doesn't have to be a 10 page pissing match. You could just admit it's a stupid policy considering almost every fan plus local and national media agree with me on it instead of just blindly defending Ferentz.

i don't blindly defend anyone, and I can't believe you think it is best to just let commits visit other schools. Gotta say I agree with Dantonio on this one.

 

[Hawk5656]

i don't blindly defend anyone, and I can't believe you think it is best to just let commits visit other schools. Gotta say I agree with Dantonio on this one.

You pretty much have to let recruits visit other schools in this day of age since they have all the leverage. Dantonio has a lot more leverage than KF too

 

[deanvogs]

You pretty much have to let recruits visit other schools in this day of age since they have all the leverage. Dantonio has a lot more leverage than KF too

Um recruits can visit who they want, Iowa can't force them to verbally commit to them. Plus why do you want our commits to visit other schools?

According to you Iowa should let:

Higdon visit Michigan
Fant to visit Minnesota
Stanley to visit Wisconsin
Lattimore to visit MSU
Hankins to visit Michigan

Dantonio and I disagree, I'm comfortable with my position in defense of Dantonios policy.

 

[Chickenlounge]

LOL, and in the "real world" people looking for other jobs on their employers time are shown the door. That is the real world.

This would only be true if the company was monitoring their activity. Otherwise, there's no way for them to know and show someone the door.

 

[Hawk5656]

Um recruits can visit who they want, Iowa can't force them to verbally commit to them. Plus why do you want our commits to visit other schools?

According to you Iowa should let:

Higdon visit Michigan
Fant to visit Minnesota
Stanley to visit Wisconsin
Lattimore to visit MSU
Hankins to visit Michigan

Dantonio and I disagree, I'm comfortable with my position in defense of Dantonios policy.

Saban and his policy is 8-0 this year. Dantonio and his policy is 2-6 this year

 

[deanvogs]

Saban and his policy is 8-0 this year. Dantonio and his policy is 2-6 this year

So you think we should recruit just like Bama. You said we were "no MSU" yet you think we are "like Bama"? Makes total sense.

I'm trying to save you here, but claiming we should have the "Bama recruiting" policy is just embarrassing really.

Still waiting for an answer on why you would have let these recruits visit these schools if you were in charge of recruiting:

Higdon visit Michigan
Fant to visit Minnesota
Stanley to visit Wisconsin
Lattimore to visit MSU
Hankins to visit Michigan

 

[Hawk5656]

So you think we should recruit just like Bama. You said we were "no MSU" yet you think we are "like Bama"? Makes total sense.

I'm trying to save you here, but claiming we should have the "Bama recruiting" policy is just embarrassing really.

Still waiting for an answer on why you would have let these recruits visit these schools if you were in charge of recruiting:

Higdon visit Michigan
Fant to visit Minnesota
Stanley to visit Wisconsin
Lattimore to visit MSU
Hankins to visit Michigan

We're not on the same level as Michigan State or Bama so it doesn't really matter.

I wouldn't hold recruits hostage over some stupid policy. Even Corrales was liking tweets saying the policy was stupid when Eno decommitted. We let Fant visit Notre Dame and Nebraska and he still ended up here. Ott visited Nebraska, still came here. At some point you have to have enough confidence in your program and let the kids visit other schools if they want since they have the leverage. That's why you have to keep recruiting kids even after they commit.

You think if we tell Higdon he can't visit Michigan he's still going to come here? That's just stupid

 

[deanvogs]

We're not on the same level as Michigan State or Bama so it doesn't really matter.

I wouldn't hold recruits hostage over some stupid policy. Even Corrales was liking tweets saying the policy was stupid when Eno decommitted. We let Fant visit Notre Dame and Nebraska and he still ended up here. Ott visited Nebraska, still came here. At some point you have to have enough confidence in your program and let the kids visit other schools if they want since they have the leverage. That's why you have to keep recruiting kids even after they commit.

You think if we tell Higdon he can't visit Michigan he's still going to come here? That's just stupid

It took a long time, but at least you have finally seen the light. The staff certainly doesn't pull an offer just because a kid took a visit, you proved it yourself with your post showing example after example of the staff not pulling offers when kids visit other schools.

Using your logic (offers aren't pulled because of visits), I then use some more of your logic and look at the fact that Eno's offer wasn't pulled when he took an official visit to Mizzu. So then like you pointed out in your brilliant post I then surmise that Eno's offer was more than likely pulled because of other reasons, because as you pointed out offers aren't pulled because of visits.

Since you seem convinced that Iowa pulls offers because visiting other schools, I'm sure you can show numerous examples of Iowa pulling offers because a kid took a visit. I'll wait patiently for your examples before this year in 17 years of recruiting of KF pulling an offer because a kid took a visit.

 

[Hawk5656]

It took a long time, but at least you have finally seen the light. The staff certainly doesn't pull an offer just because a kid took a visit, you proved it yourself with your post showing example after example of the staff not pulling offers when kids visit other schools.

Using your logic (offers aren't pulled because of visits), I then use some more of your logic and look at the fact that Eno's offer wasn't pulled when he took an official visit to Mizzu. So then like you pointed out in your brilliant post I then surmise that Eno's offer was more than likely pulled because of other reasons, because as you pointed out offers aren't pulled because of visits.

Since you seem convinced that Iowa pulls offers because visiting other schools, I'm sure you can show numerous examples of Iowa pulling offers because a kid took a visit. I'll wait patiently for your examples before this year in 17 years of recruiting of KF pulling an offer because a kid took a visit.

Oh yeah I forgot, Eno had his offer pulled because of his "secret visits" but KF has no problem having committed kids come here on "secret visits". More hypocrisy

 

[kicker22]

The staff goes after 4* kids each and every year. Right now they are in on several '18 4* kids and are already offering '19 kids as well that they deem to be 4* kids. We swing for 4* kids all the time. Plus keep in mind lots of times the staff feels that some players just aren't identified by the recruiting services properly. I'll guarantee that the staff would take Kallenberger and Wirfs over many other 4* options they have evaluated. So in their minds that have 2 committed 4* kids already. Hankins as a Michigan offer, should he be a 4*?

I still have no idea what any of that has to do with asking verbal commits not take visits to other schools. We have a zero percent chance of landing Eno because the coaches felt it was better to cut ties. It could be because he took a second visit, it could be because they don't think he will ultimately sign with Iowa come Feb. Either way sure it is disappointing to us fans, but probably 1000x more disappointing to the coaches who have put in so much time and effort into recruiting Eno.

There isn't a doubt in my mind we recruit 4* kids, but we are not signing them. Whether or not our staff believes a player is properly valued is besides the point. Highly ranked recruiting classes help bring in high profile talent because players want to compete for championships. I think its safe to say that all programs want to win championships, however you cannot do so by being stubborn. Either we need to bring in better athletes to provide depth for the conservative brand of football we are playing or we need to find a different scheme.

We cannot, and historically have been unable to compete for conference championships with recruiting classes ranked in the 40s and 50s, year in and year out. Either changes need to be made on the recruiting trail or finding a style of play in which games don't come down to a gassed defense with little depth trying to close out a team in the final moments of the game to preserve a win.

 

[kicker22]

It took a long time, but at least you have finally seen the light. The staff certainly doesn't pull an offer just because a kid took a visit, you proved it yourself with your post showing example after example of the staff not pulling offers when kids visit other schools.

Using your logic (offers aren't pulled because of visits), I then use some more of your logic and look at the fact that Eno's offer wasn't pulled when he took an official visit to Mizzu. So then like you pointed out in your brilliant post I then surmise that Eno's offer was more than likely pulled because of other reasons, because as you pointed out offers aren't pulled because of visits.

Since you seem convinced that Iowa pulls offers because visiting other schools, I'm sure you can show numerous examples of Iowa pulling offers because a kid took a visit. I'll wait patiently for your examples before this year in 17 years of recruiting of KF pulling an offer because a kid took a visit.

So based on this statement alone do you not see it being a stupid policy? IF its kids are still doing it even with the policy in place and the staff isn't doing anything about it then why have a policy in place. There is absolutely no logic in a staff having a policy in writing that isn't enforced (as you stated) when everyone else unassociated with the program either see it as a ridiculous or something they are not going to agree to.

So are we only recruiting the kids from 5% of the programs that don't have a policy in place?

What happens to Iowa when recruits use the logic of not committing until they are done "window shopping" all its going to do is put more pressure on the staff as recruits begin to the commit later into the process? Are they going to start ignoring those recruits they are heavily after simply because a guy with no major offers is ready to commit and a highly recruited player is still whittling down his list of prospective schools?

 

[deanvogs]

Oh yeah I forgot, Eno had his offer pulled because of his "secret visits" but KF has no problem having committed kids come here on "secret visits". More hypocrisy

No hypocrisy at all, because Iowa has proven in your examples that offers aren't pulled if kids visit other schools. Find me examples of offers being pulled because a commit visits elsewhere in the previous 17 years of KF.

This is exactly why Rob said he would be shocked if the offer was pulled just because he visited elsewhere. It is why I think there is more to the story than just a visit, because past history is an indication of future behavior. Since Iowa historically hasn't pulled offers because of a visit, why would they just start now?

 

[deanvogs]

So based on this statement alone do you not see it being a stupid policy? IF its kids are still doing it even with the policy in place and the staff isn't doing anything about it then why have a policy in place. There is absolutely no logic in a staff having a policy in writing that isn't enforced (as you stated) when everyone else unassociated with the program either see it as a ridiculous or something they are not going to agree to.

So are we only recruiting the kids from 5% of the programs that don't have a policy in place?

What happens to Iowa when recruits use the logic of not committing until they are done "window shopping" all its going to do is put more pressure on the staff as recruits begin to the commit later into the process? Are they going to start ignoring those recruits they are heavily after simply because a guy with no major offers is ready to commit and a highly recruited player is still whittling down his list of prospective schools?

It is a very good policy. The dirty secret it Iowa tries to keep commits from visiting other school with the policy, yet leaves themselves flexibility if the kids take the visit. Historically speaking if commits take visits the offers are not pulled, also historically speaking the policy has helped Iowa from keeping a ton of kids from taking visits. Win/win policy if you ask me.

I just don't see why you guys are all bent out of shape. The policy in practice is to NOT PULL AN OFFER. Show me an example in the last 17 years of KF that he has pulled an offer because of a visit.

 

[Hawk5656]

No hypocrisy at all, because Iowa has proven in your examples that offers aren't pulled if kids visit other schools. Find me examples of offers being pulled because a commit visits elsewhere in the previous 17 years of KF.

This is exactly why Rob said he would be shocked if the offer was pulled just because he visited elsewhere. It is why I think there is more to the story than just a visit, because past history is an indication of future behavior. Since Iowa historically hasn't pulled offers because of a visit, why would they just start now?

If they're not pulling offers is kids visit elsewhere why even tell all the recruits that? Also you have said and implied many times Eno's offer was pulled because of the secret visits he took but we have no problem doing secret visits for other committed recruits to come here. That is hypocrisy

 

[GotTimDodge]

Back to Eno...
I agree. There has to be something more to the story than just him visiting other schools.
Hell, he could have lied twice on visits, and Iowa, knowing how valuable he is/etc. STILL might have left the offer open.
But something else must have happened, something I hope will come to light eventually, just to satisfy my curiosity.

 

[deanvogs]

If they're not pulling offers is kids visit elsewhere why even tell all the recruits that? Also you have said and implied many times Eno's offer was pulled because of the secret visits he took but we have no problem doing secret visits for other committed recruits to come here. That is hypocrisy

I'm not aware of other commits taking secret visits other then Eno. If you have said info, please share.

Also I didn't know Iowa was hosting kids on "secret visits" either? Rob, don't you usually know when kids are visiting, do you know of any "stealth visits" kids are taking to Iowa?

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

wow fellas. please stop. holy smokes....

 

[deanvogs]

Back to Eno...
I agree. There has to be something more to the story than just him visiting other schools.
Hell, he could have lied twice on visits, and Iowa, knowing how valuable he is/etc. STILL might have left the offer open.
But something else must have happened, something I hope will come to light eventually, just to satisfy my curiosity.

Thanks TimD! You don't have to be a "KF apologist" or a "KF defender" to come to this very logical conclusion.

 

[Hawk5656]

I'm not aware of other commits taking secret visits other then Eno. If you have said info, please share.

Also I didn't know Iowa was hosting kids on "secret visits" either? Rob, don't you usually know when kids are visiting, do you know of any "stealth visits" kids are taking to Iowa?

For someone who follows recruiting as much as you I'm surprised you don't remember Miles Taylor's recruitment.

One of Georgia Tech’s 2014 football recruits is on a “secret” visit to Iowa this weekend, according to multiple reports.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/...or-iowa-hawkeyes-commit-caring-is-creepy-2014

http://recruiting.blog.ajc.com/2014...-on-secret-visit-to-other-school-per-reports/