Rob How many current players were committed to other teams?

kicker22 said:
I do perceive it as an attitude of insecurity and inferiority, but at the same time I also see it as KF being stubborn and ego driven. I think its a policy put in place for fear that he may not be able to compete with the other programs around the nation and therefore is afraid of losing these players in the event they visit other schools. I also think he's stubborn by holding on to such a ridiculous policy put in place to create leverage; giving him additional power over his recruits.

Explain then, why it couldn't be both a factor of his ego refusing to give up that power by keeping the policy in place (which was a primary factor in Eno's commitment being pulled) as well as an insecurity that KF feared other programs may have more to offer which could sway Eno's decision. I see no reason why the two theories couldn't go hand in hand.

Edit: I should add that I don't mind the recruits we're bring in and think our staff, for the most part does a very good job of developing talent. That said though I would love to see these "diamond in rough guys" and feel good stories be the guys that are 3rd and fourth stringers that are getting chances for meaningful minutes due to injuries or making the most of limited opportunities. While it makes for a great story, I think its a slap in the face to our recruiting that walk-ons (regardless of how hard they work) are winning positions from the guys that are being awarded scholarships and that we're spending a great deal of time recruiting.

And while I see your point on the bluebloods and the policy they have in place, but again the fact is we may have some decommit, but at the same time we currently have a zero percent chance of landing Eno, because of this situation. I'm saying if we want to consider ourselves elites, as a program and university, we have to act like it. Based on the system we have now, what difference would it make if we swing and miss on 4* recruits and end up replacing them with mid-major commits. Its no different than what we are doing now, but at least that way we'd be able to say we swung and missed rather than saying we never stepped up to bat against the big boys.
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The staff goes after 4* kids each and every year. Right now they are in on several '18 4* kids and are already offering '19 kids as well that they deem to be 4* kids. We swing for 4* kids all the time. Plus keep in mind lots of times the staff feels that some players just aren't identified by the recruiting services properly. I'll guarantee that the staff would take Kallenberger and Wirfs over many other 4* options they have evaluated. So in their minds that have 2 committed 4* kids already. Hankins as a Michigan offer, should he be a 4*?

I still have no idea what any of that has to do with asking verbal commits not take visits to other schools. We have a zero percent chance of landing Eno because the coaches felt it was better to cut ties. It could be because he took a second visit, it could be because they don't think he will ultimately sign with Iowa come Feb. Either way sure it is disappointing to us fans, but probably 1000x more disappointing to the coaches who have put in so much time and effort into recruiting Eno.
 
deanvogs said:
Or it could be you are just a hypocrite yourself. It didn't bother you when we were flipping recruits and now only bothers you because we lost one.....that in many circles is considered hypocritical.
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I knew we went after other verbals.
I didn't know about the no visit policy until now.

We'll recruit liars to other schools, but we'll pass on liars to our school.
Totally legit policy, and a great way to identify our good "fit" kids, huh?
 
GotTimDodge said:
I knew we went after other verbals.
I didn't know about the no visit policy until now.

We'll recruit liars to other schools, but we'll pass on liars to our school.
Totally legit policy, and a great way to identify our good "fit" kids, huh?
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Straw man alert!!!! We recruit kids who want to be Hawks. Sometimes kids committed to Iowa no longer want to be and kids committed elsewhere want to be Hawks.
 
deanvogs said:
Straw man alert!!!! We recruit kids who want to be Hawks. Sometimes kids committed to Iowa no longer want to be and kids committed elsewhere want to be Hawks.
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We recruit kids that are committed to their school and aren't looking to be Hawks too
 
Hawk5656 said:
So yeah our policy is pretty hypocritical
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Not at all, and neither is the 95% of Schools that tell recruits that once they are verbally committed, that means they expect them not to take other visits. I'm really trying to help you out 56, it is obvious you don't know much about recruiting, pretty much all schools that are Blue Bloods do this.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/01/michigan_states_mark_dantonio_122.html

Michigan State pulled a scholarship offer from then-committed offensive lineman Gavin Cupp last summer after Cupp went to Ohio State's marquee summer camp and performed in front of Buckeyes coaches without telling anyone on the Spartans' staff.

Cupp told Cleveland.com that he tried to call, but he couldn't reach any of the Michigan State coaches.

Dantonio has said he has a communication policy. Typically, Dantonio prefers that prospects not take any more visits after they have made a verbal commitment to the Spartans.
 
deanvogs said:
Not at all, and neither is the 95% of Schools that tell recruits that once they are verbally committed, that means they expect them not to take other visits. I'm really trying to help you out 56, it is obvious you don't know much about recruiting, pretty much all schools that are Blue Bloods do this.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/01/michigan_states_mark_dantonio_122.html

Michigan State pulled a scholarship offer from then-committed offensive lineman Gavin Cupp last summer after Cupp went to Ohio State's marquee summer camp and performed in front of Buckeyes coaches without telling anyone on the Spartans' staff.

Cupp told Cleveland.com that he tried to call, but he couldn't reach any of the Michigan State coaches.

Dantonio has said he has a communication policy. Typically, Dantonio prefers that prospects not take any more visits after they have made a verbal commitment to the Spartans.
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And Saban tells his committed recruits to enjoy their visits to other schools. What's your point?
 
Hawk5656 said:
And Saban tells his committed recruits to enjoy their visits to other schools. What's your point?
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Got it. We have more in common with Bama than we do MSU and we should be doing business just like Bama does. Seems pretty reasonable.
 
deanvogs said:
Got it. We have more in common with Bama than we do MSU and we should be doing business just like Bama does. Seems pretty reasonable.
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95% of schools don't have the policies we do, if they did it wouldn't be getting so much attention. That's my point
 
Hawk5656 said:
95% of schools don't have the policies we do, if they did it wouldn't be getting so much attention. That's my point
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What policies are those? The Higdon policy? Dantonio pulled the offer cause the kid went to a camp, we kept our offer in place while Higdon officially visited Michigan.
 
deanvogs said:
What policies are those? The Higdon policy? Dantonio pulled the offer cause the kid went to a camp, we kept our offer in place while Higdon officially visited Michigan.
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The policy that has been well documented and discussed but keep defending KF and his old school recruiting tactics
 
Hawk5656 said:
You said we pull offers if they visit other schools and you seem to know what's going on here

"You do know that Iowa tells it's commits that if they visit other schools they will pull the offer, right? That is the reason, Eno lied to them, took two visits and the staff wasn't having it. They don't think they can trust him, so they cut bait now instead of getting "Higdon'd" at the last minute."

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/heres-what-i-wrote-on-eno.76410/#post-1541261
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This policy where we tell our commits were going to pull the offer if they visit other schools
 
Hawk5656 said:
The policy that has been well documented and discussed but keep defending KF and his old school recruiting tactics
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Why wouldn't I defend that policy? It works for Dantonio, and I don't think a lets let our commits visit all schools policy makes sense.
 
Hawk5656 said:
We'll Dantiono Is a much better coach than KF and Michigan State is a better football program right now so just because he can do something doesn't mean we can
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Copy so we are supposed to implement Bama policies then because we aren't on MSU's level. Makes complete sense.

I see you are going for another 10 pages pissing match which is just sweet for everyone around here to read. And you wonder why I think you are Vin.
 
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