Rob How many current players were committed to other teams?
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GotTimDodge
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lol
deanvogs
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Yeah, I follow recruiting and my guess this is the first you had ever heard of this. The rumor has always been out there the Paul Johnson helped set this up.
It is always tough in recruiting to know the whole story, so maybe Iowa did get a visit from Taylor without Paul Johnson knowing. Heck maybe Eno didn't mislead the staff at all. Maybe this is strictly and soley about KF ego and insecurities like you think. I just feel there was something going on or happening that made Iowa want to end the relationship more than a visit, as Iowa has a history of letting commits visit other school. Either way I'm done with this and you Vintage....errrr Scorpio....errr 56, as you are getting past annoying and entering obsessive behavior, which is very dirty 30 behavior with me.
Not going to comment on Gavin Holmes retweet before you bow out? I thought you were better than that
Knight78
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My cousin's son, Jake Brendel, was a 4 year starter at center for UCLA. He took his visits before verbally committing making sure he visited top business schools. When he did verbally commit, he was asked by then-coach Rick Neuheisel (or his staff, not sure which) not to take any more visits. After talking with Jake, I found that Jim Mora has the same policy. Mora has managed to land a number of 4 and 5 star recruits so I guess it's not such a "stupid policy" and I'd wager a lot more coaches have the same policy in place.
SteveGarvey1
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That was probably true 10 years ago but not today.
The leverage is now more with the athlete than the coaches and Kirk needs to address this in his recruiting here on out, imho.
Would say regarding secret visits by other recruits to Iowa, perhaps Kirk's policy is to not ask the recruit if it's in secret or not, to then therefore to have plausible deniability for himself as far as knowledge of any secrecy.
Knight78
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Uhhh. 10 years ago? Jake just graduated in May. He was on the Cowboys as a UFA. He is currently on the Dolphins practice squad.
Rick Neuheisel also got fired from UCLA.
kicker22
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The problem I see is that unlike bluebloods we depend on these elite recruits more than they depend on us. This type of policy may work at programs that that can replace a verbal from a top 300 player with that of another top 300 player or simply cut the player loose and get a verbal from another 4* kid, but we aren't that program.
Iowa is a good school with a competitive program and competitive facilities. Iowa is not a blueblood, Iowa is not a 10 ten program, Iowa is not consistently in the hunt for Big Ten titles, Iowa does not have a large population base to draw from, Iowa City is nice but small and lacks the feel of a big city, Iowa City is not in the South or on the coast, etc...
While Iowa has a lot to offer we simply do not have as much to offer as other programs nation wide. Now add in to the mix that Eno's situation has brought our "no visit policy" and the negative coverage of it to a national audience. We don't need additional factors making it more difficult to get players to sign.
Iowa is a good school with a competitive program and competitive facilities. Iowa is not a blueblood, Iowa is not a 10 ten program, Iowa is not consistently in the hunt for Big Ten titles, Iowa does not have a large population base to draw from, Iowa City is nice but small and lacks the feel of a big city, Iowa City is not in the South or on the coast, etc...
While Iowa has a lot to offer we simply do not have as much to offer as other programs nation wide. Now add in to the mix that Eno's situation has brought our "no visit policy" and the negative coverage of it to a national audience. We don't need additional factors making it more difficult to get players to sign.
deanvogs
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I can't believe that people actually think any coach wants their verbal commits to visit other schools. All programs want the visits to be over when the kids gives a verbal commitment.
Joshbrown
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Do all programs want to stop communicating with them when they verbal?
Who is saying coaches want their verbal commits to visit other schools? There's a difference between wanting verbal commits to visit other schools and having a stupid policy about it. Obviously the recruits think the policy is stupid, even Corrales and Holmes have shown on Twitter they don't agree with it.
HomerChampless
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Here I am. Walking in, taking a look around and walking out even though posters like Hawkinn3 don't like it..
My two cents is KF isn't good at recruiting and he knows it. His whole 'our program isn't sexy' is based on two things:
(1) That athletes aren't showcased at Iowa so athletes don't come to Iowa.
(2) That Iowa's offensive and defense schemes are conservative..20th century conservative. See number one.
Now, you can say recruits that are tested high by recruiting experts don't matter. Well, they don't matter when you can't get any to come to your program.
Athletes still matter. I'd rather see a recruit play four years with no red shirting in the position they played in high school where they've had the most experience. The red shirt recruit may need to be retrained for their position or need a 'bulking up'. A red shirt and position change and/or bulking up automatically drops the athletic level of the recruit (possibly to below the level of MAC recruit) because they have to learn the new position and no one knows if they will play adequately for that position.
Why else did KF push for the new football facilities than to get better recruits? Then to eschew better recruits because they weren't doing things the right way???? What's up with that?
My two cents is KF isn't good at recruiting and he knows it. His whole 'our program isn't sexy' is based on two things:
(1) That athletes aren't showcased at Iowa so athletes don't come to Iowa.
(2) That Iowa's offensive and defense schemes are conservative..20th century conservative. See number one.
Now, you can say recruits that are tested high by recruiting experts don't matter. Well, they don't matter when you can't get any to come to your program.
Athletes still matter. I'd rather see a recruit play four years with no red shirting in the position they played in high school where they've had the most experience. The red shirt recruit may need to be retrained for their position or need a 'bulking up'. A red shirt and position change and/or bulking up automatically drops the athletic level of the recruit (possibly to below the level of MAC recruit) because they have to learn the new position and no one knows if they will play adequately for that position.
Why else did KF push for the new football facilities than to get better recruits? Then to eschew better recruits because they weren't doing things the right way???? What's up with that?
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kicker22
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Great point about putting guys in the position that they played in high school. IMO we struggle with wide receivers because it seems as though we can just throw anyone into that spot and turn them into one. We need to recruit players to play their position. We don't need to recruit high school QBs and turn them into linemen or TEs. Or offer scholarships to QBs not because we want them at QB, but because they're good athletes and could possibly be switched to WR.
Not to disrespect the staff as they obviously see something that stands out in a play which makes them feel they could succeed at a different position, but I think we're seeing it way to much and are seeing major weaknesses in the positions in which this is happening.
GotTimDodge
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deanvogs
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IDK, seems to fit nicely with yours, Josh, and 56 agenda.....talk it up boys, talk it up!
