DP5555
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He's a senior and Moss is getting his first real minutes. That's not in the least bit surprising.
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He's a senior and Moss is getting his first real minutes. That's not in the least bit surprising.
deanvogs
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Still waiting for that quote.....
I attack you because you attack kids still in high school in Jordan. So yep, I'll keep calling you out for the idiot you are.
deanvogs
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don't listen to 56, defensive matrix are shaky at best, even the guy who came up with them says as much.
My mistake, his coach said it not him
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/s...hannon-named-2016-iowa-mr-basketball-20160315
“I thought it was pretty appropriate that Jordan had 92 3-pointers this season, which tied Jason’s school record,” Robertson said. “Jason was probably a little more bouncy athlete. But Jordan worked even harder because he wasn’t quite as good an athlete.”
Jok has never had as bad as defensive numbers in his career that Moss has now, Jok's first two years were a lot better than Moss' now
deanvogs
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Hold on. You are singing Jason's praises as being a "big time recruit". Yet the coach who coached both of them said that Jason was only a little more bouncy than Jordan?
I thought you said that Jordan said he wasn't "athletic"? Seems to me that is a pretty good thing if Jordan is only "a little less" bouncy than a 4* top 70 recruit.
I'll wait for you to retract all of your bashing of Jordan since Joran basically has 4* top 70 athleticism.
I don't think Jason was a big recruit because of his athleticism. I'm positive I read somewhere that Jordan said he wasn't the greatest athlete so he had to work harder to be smarter it terms of defense but I really don't have the time to look it up now. Do you really think Jordan is athletic or are you doing your thing where you're just going to argue just to argue?
deanvogs
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What defensive metrics are you quoting? Defensive metrics are generally looked at with heavy caution as it really doesn't capture how good a defensive player one is. Even Hollinger admits his own defensive metrics are deeply flawed.
Hollinger freely admits that two of the defensive statistics it incorporates—blocks and steals (which was not tracked as an official stat until 1973)—can produce a distorted picture of a player's value and that PER is not a reliable measure of a player's defensive acumen.
Advanced defensive statistics. Moss defensive rating is 109.4 which is really bad. Our worst defenders in terms of advanced statistics are
1. Ellingson
2. Bohannon
3. Cook
4. Moss
5. Uhl
Baer and Wagner are our two best
deanvogs
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Listen, once again you were wrong. You said you bash on Jordan because he called himself not athletic. It was simply a made up fabrication by you.
I don't argue to argue. I have said my issue is you have been bashing on Jordan before he played 1 min of basketball at Iowa. Your excuse for doing so was proven to be full of shit, so now you have no excuses at all for bashing on a then High school kid and now college kid the way you have.
I didn't make up anything, I told you I believe I read somewhere that Jordan said he wasn't the greatest athlete so he had to work harder to be smarter it terms of defense which would be true. I'm sure you've never bashed anyone on here before
deanvogs
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Just like with Jordan's coaches quote, I know the stats you are referencing. The creator of the stats themselves said they don't paint a true picture. Yet you think you can use them and they are correct?
Listen you make it too easy to bust your ass all day long. You are using a metric that self admittedly says it doesn't measure defense in an accurate manner.
deanvogs
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Listen, being critical of players is one thing. Doing what you have done to Jordan for nearly a year is bashing. You know it, I know it, don't try to act all innocent now. Plus I tried to walk you back from this freaking ledge like 10 time, yet you refuse and continue to double down on bashing him. So yeah, I'm confident in saying that I have never systematically bashed a player like you have done to Jordan.
Why would I walk from from a ledge when I think my assessment is correct? Actually we're even worse than I thought we were going to be this year
lightning1
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It was evident to me. Anyone that can pull up and shoot as well as he does, off the dribble, is something special. Anybody can drive the ball, pull up and shoot a 12' jumper but very few can make it with any consistency. his stroke is so smooth. He squares his feet well. Those are the things I saw from his high school videos. I couldn't believe the big time programs backed off. I get that he was an injury risk but look at all of the recruiting misses that every coach has. Look at the transfers.
lightning1
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Stop trying to make it personal. He hasn't said anything personal about any player.
lightning1
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I will say that Bohannon isn't an elite athlete. He's got decent foot speed but he's not an explosive athlete. That's not a personal attack on Bohannon. Ricky Davis was an elite athlete. Very explosive. It's all about context. Devyn Marble was a pretty good athlete but even he admitted that his dad was a better a athlete. It's all relative.
Here we go again with this 'speed' thing. It SEEMS all you 'fans' (idiots) don't think Iowa EVER has any speed in football, basketball, etc...It is an IGNORANT bias that is not based in reality. I was at the Omaha game, and SPEED wasn't their problem. LAZINESS was and every coach and player on the team will tell you that and I KNOW 2 players on the team and a recruit coming in, so MY 'opinion' is informed, unlike you freekin morons. WE HAVE NOT LOST A GAME IN FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF 'SPEED'....you silly twits....As you guys like to say, LEARN THE GAME, and maybe you'll understand what is going on in execution, etc...........
ChosenChildren
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It is now obvious we are not rebuilding, we are RELOADING
